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Lots of people talking who never had to deal with wolves here. Bottom line to remember about any wolf studies is this: they don't transfer to other wolf locatio
by arminiusreturns 5y ago
Lots of people talking who never had to deal with wolves here. Bottom line to remember about any wolf studies is this: they don't transfer to other wolf locations. This paper is relevant for Wisconsin only. Secondarily, since this topic inevitably comes up as people say stuff like "it's silly to be afraid of wolves", all the claims that wolves don't attack people are lies, using almost exclusively US based data where the wolves were killed until under control for that very reason. For a less ideological understanding of the real danger of wolves look at the statistics in Siberia, etc. My saying for those who harp on this is "It's easy to claim refuge in statistics until you are in the middle of nothing and hear a pack a ridge or two over. Or hear them circle and yip your camp at night. Then statistics don't offer nearly the same comfort." ... Things I have experienced first hand. Slightly off topic but one of the most visually exhilarating things ever for me was to stumble across a wild pack feasting on a fresh kill...
I grew up in a wolf re-intro zone and have had to deal with all the changes to the forest that came with it, many, if not most, of them bad. It wasn't until I was older I went back and re-read the justification papers and they were absolutely horrid science. There is quite a history of wolf related papers being used to justify political actions far outside what the papers support. Please don't fall into that same trap here. This is an interesting paper about the Wisconsin wolf population from a particular angle of study (not a holistic study), that's it.
- CRConrad 5y ago> Bottom line to remember about any wolf studies is this: they don't transfer to other wolf locations. This paper is relevant for Wisconsin only. How and why? Are Wisconsin wolves somehow fundamentally different than other wolves; a different species or something? I find your thesis hard to swallow. Occam's razor suggests that since they're wolves, they behave like other wolves.
- arminiusreturns 5y agoDifferent wolf breeds and different environments (for example, elk heavy animal pops are different to hunt than deer, variations in forest type, elevation, water sources, human pop within radius, etc) combined make for too many variables.
- CRConrad 5y agoSo they react like most wolves to most of those variables, and therefore the sum total of their behaviour is about the same as other populations of wolves in areas where the variables have similar values? Not sure about terrain and population density in Wisconsin, but at a guess, they probably behave much like wolves in central Sweden or Finland then.