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Unfortunately no mention of the equivalent Japanese tradition of ama[1], identically named in Chinese characters (海女) though much older - the first records of f
by getoj 5y ago
Unfortunately no mention of the equivalent Japanese tradition of ama[1], identically named in Chinese characters (海女) though much older - the first records of female ama are from the Heian period, whereas haenyeo as female divers appear to be a more recent phenomenon.
I am sure there are a number of interesting comparisons to be made and probably some historical connection between the two. However, these kinds of cultural similarities between Japan and Korea are rarely discussed, probably due to the nationalist animosity between the two countries.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving)
- jinwoo68 5y agoHaenyeo is more recent? Wikipedia doesn't seem to agree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo says it started earlier than Ama.
- resoluteteeth 5y ago> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo says it started earlier than Ama. Your link doesn't appear to actually say that? > The first mention of female divers in literature does not come until the 17th century, when a monograph of Jeju geography describes them as jamnyeo (literally "diving women").[2]: 101
- jinwoo68 5y agoWhat I meant was that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo says "Jeju's diving tradition dates back to 434 AD" while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) says "Records of female pearl divers, or ama, date back as early as AD 927". I think both date them using written records and I think they both started earlier than those records. So probably they started at around the same time? I really don't know. I just wanted to point out that the OP's argument doesn't seem valid.
- lifthrasiir 5y agoThere are three different "first mentions" of Korean diving women in the recorded Korean history: - Descriptions of Jeju's Natural Features (제주풍토기, 濟州風土記) is written in 1628--1635 and contains the first direct mention of diving women and a term for them (jamnyeo). - Jeju, the kingdom of Tamna at that time, was annexed by the mainland Goryeo in 1105. The new governor Yoon Eung-gyun (윤응균, 尹應均) issued a decree to forbid men and women to dive together, suggesting diving women existed back then. - Jeju was well known for its goods for the king since at least 503 (according to the History of Three Kingdoms [삼국사기, 三國史記]), so there must have been some divers in Jeju, probably both men and women inferred from later records.
- lvl100 5y agoWhat’s so unfortunate? Why bother injecting Japanese into this article focused on Korean divers? You’re basically saying they didn’t mention Japanese in an article about Korean divers because…?
- jejumystery 5y agoIt is worth mentioning that there are many vague lines between korea and japan in terms of ancient history. Perhaps one of the secrets of Japanese emperior bloodline comes from Baekjae. Parts of peninsula and some japanese island includin ryuku also have separate history of ownself.
- tasogare 5y agoThe fact Kudara/Baekje kingdom is located in present day Korea does not mean it was populated with people having Korean culture and speaking Korean, as like you said some part of the peninsula has its own history. Some sort of Japonic language was spoken in the Korean peninsula[1] and the alliance between Baekje and some Japanese state at the time could have been because of related a culture. In the hypothesis it wasn't the case, Japanese are indeed good at "Japanese-washing" successful people, by ignoring their foreign roots when convenient, while doing the reverse for people less successful. A pretty recent example is that of Momofuku Ando, inventor a cup ramen, born Taiwanese. [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_Japonic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_Japonic
- hjdev 5y agoJust focus what article says.