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> one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear. Really? Wow, when did that happen? I went to Rome 3 years ago and t

> one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear. Really? Wow, when did that happen? I went to Rome 3 years ago and the overwhelming majority of people there were Italians. Even many of the tourists in the Vatican were from other parts of Italy.

cma 5y ago
Looks like they got roped into the neonazi/"great replacement" stuff by someone (probably Facebook/YouTube algorithm).
- jesuschristhn 5y ago
  The Migration Period is a noncontentious event within the historiography of Rome (i.e. the Roman Empire). It's not related to anything regarding events from today. I disagree with the original assertion that the "natives" were "replaced" but it's not disputed that the Germanic tribes mixed with the native Italics and possibly contributed to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, ignoring the actual sack of Rome in 410 by the Visigoths, a Germanic tribe invited into the Roman Empire to bolster its declining population, which is probably what the original poster was referencing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28410%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28410%29
jesuschristhn 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
akomtu 5y ago
I meant the ancient Roman Empire.
- diego_moita 5y ago
  It is Europe buddy. Every country there was invaded and occupied by someone else at some time in history, with or without immigrants. The history of Europe is basically 3000 years of someone invading someone else's country and stealing their cows. Actually, the Italians spent most of their history doing exactly that to themselves. Up until the unification at late 19th century, Italians killed more Italians than any barbarian invasion.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    My point is that every nation follows the same life cycle: the golden age, stagnation, social strife and internal squabbles, normalization of amoral behavior, the steep decline of birthrate and replacement by invaders, be it barbarians or another civilized nation. We're somewhere at last stage, but the US is big and it may stay another hundred years in this quasistable state.
tomjen3 5y ago
> Really? Wow, when did that happen? Importing barbarian fighters to swell the declining rank of the empire is one of the theories of the decline and fall of the Roman empire. > I went to Rome 3 years ago About 1600 years too late to be relevant for GPs example. And for the record, he is wrong about it being relevant to emigration to the US today. Despite having Senators in the Senate on the Capitol hill (Rome had Senators in the Senate on the Capitoline hill), the US is not the Roman republic or empire and the problems they face are not the same.
- TheGigaChad 5y ago
  YOu are a brain damaged subhuman idiot. I hope you did not procreate.

cma 5y ago

Looks like they got roped into the neonazi/"great replacement" stuff by someone (probably Facebook/YouTube algorithm).

jesuschristhn 5y ago
The Migration Period is a noncontentious event within the historiography of Rome (i.e. the Roman Empire). It's not related to anything regarding events from today. I disagree with the original assertion that the "natives" were "replaced" but it's not disputed that the Germanic tribes mixed with the native Italics and possibly contributed to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, ignoring the actual sack of Rome in 410 by the Visigoths, a Germanic tribe invited into the Roman Empire to bolster its declining population, which is probably what the original poster was referencing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28410%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28410%29

jesuschristhn 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period

akomtu 5y ago

I meant the ancient Roman Empire.

diego_moita 5y ago
It is Europe buddy. Every country there was invaded and occupied by someone else at some time in history, with or without immigrants. The history of Europe is basically 3000 years of someone invading someone else's country and stealing their cows. Actually, the Italians spent most of their history doing exactly that to themselves. Up until the unification at late 19th century, Italians killed more Italians than any barbarian invasion.
- akomtu 5y ago
  My point is that every nation follows the same life cycle: the golden age, stagnation, social strife and internal squabbles, normalization of amoral behavior, the steep decline of birthrate and replacement by invaders, be it barbarians or another civilized nation. We're somewhere at last stage, but the US is big and it may stay another hundred years in this quasistable state.

tomjen3 5y ago

> Really? Wow, when did that happen? Importing barbarian fighters to swell the declining rank of the empire is one of the theories of the decline and fall of the Roman empire. > I went to Rome 3 years ago About 1600 years too late to be relevant for GPs example. And for the record, he is wrong about it being relevant to emigration to the US today. Despite having Senators in the Senate on the Capitol hill (Rome had Senators in the Senate on the Capitoline hill), the US is not the Roman republic or empire and the problems they face are not the same.

TheGigaChad 5y ago
YOu are a brain damaged subhuman idiot. I hope you did not procreate.