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In the USA, something like 85% of people older than 65 are "fully vaccinated", and a almost all of the rest have had one dose. These still make up a substantia

In the USA, something like 85% of people older than 65 are "fully vaccinated", and a almost all of the rest have had one dose. These still make up a substantial proportion of hospitalizations, because Covid is 2–3 orders of magnitude more likely to lead to serious symptoms for this age category, so that vaccinated elderly people have comparable risk to unvaccinated people 30–40 years younger.

fallingknife 5y ago
At 85% vax rate with 42x protection you would still expect almost 90% of deaths to be in the unvaccinated.
- jacobolus 5y ago
  Looking at the source, this was about King County, Washington, where more people over age 65 have completed the full vaccination series than there are census-estimated residents of that age. Effectively everyone over 65 has been fully vaccinated there. https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccination.aspx https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccinatio... If you tally up more age categories, about 92% of people over the age of 35 have been fully vaccinated. Or flipped around, 80% of unvaccinated people in that county are under the age of 35, 15% are age 35–50, 5% are age 50–65, and essentially none are older than that. It is amazing that even so, 83% of hospitalizations and 75% of deaths were among the unvaccinated. These vaccines are astonishingly effective!
  - fallingknife 5y ago
    Yeah, I am not trying to say the vaccines are not extremely effective.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    In King County, for age group >65yo, vaccination rate is >95%, and the percent of vaccinated hospitalizations for this age group is 3%. In UK, for age group >60yo, with similarly high vaccination rates, the percent of vaccinated hospitalizations for this age group is 82.5%. These numbers inhabit different realities. I cannot think of any reasonable explanation. Some attempts: * King County is failing to vaccinate the highest risk subpopulation within this age group. * King County is hospitalizing comparatively vast numbers of unvaccinated elder covid patients. * King County, UK, or both, is having serious data collection and/or reporting problems. * UK is using a different vaccine https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/public.health.seattle.king.county.covid/viz/COVID_Vaccination_Status/VaxBrk https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/public.health.seattle... https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034383/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-46.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Edit. Peeking at the Singapore dashboards, they are much closer to the King County picture than the UK picture. https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics

fallingknife 5y ago

At 85% vax rate with 42x protection you would still expect almost 90% of deaths to be in the unvaccinated.

jacobolus 5y ago
Looking at the source, this was about King County, Washington, where more people over age 65 have completed the full vaccination series than there are census-estimated residents of that age. Effectively everyone over 65 has been fully vaccinated there. https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccination.aspx https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccinatio... If you tally up more age categories, about 92% of people over the age of 35 have been fully vaccinated. Or flipped around, 80% of unvaccinated people in that county are under the age of 35, 15% are age 35–50, 5% are age 50–65, and essentially none are older than that. It is amazing that even so, 83% of hospitalizations and 75% of deaths were among the unvaccinated. These vaccines are astonishingly effective!
- fallingknife 5y ago
  Yeah, I am not trying to say the vaccines are not extremely effective.
- angelzen 5y ago
  In King County, for age group >65yo, vaccination rate is >95%, and the percent of vaccinated hospitalizations for this age group is 3%. In UK, for age group >60yo, with similarly high vaccination rates, the percent of vaccinated hospitalizations for this age group is 82.5%. These numbers inhabit different realities. I cannot think of any reasonable explanation. Some attempts: * King County is failing to vaccinate the highest risk subpopulation within this age group. * King County is hospitalizing comparatively vast numbers of unvaccinated elder covid patients. * King County, UK, or both, is having serious data collection and/or reporting problems. * UK is using a different vaccine https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/public.health.seattle.king.county.covid/viz/COVID_Vaccination_Status/VaxBrk https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/public.health.seattle... https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034383/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-46.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Edit. Peeking at the Singapore dashboards, they are much closer to the King County picture than the UK picture. https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics