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Right now in Australia, there is a huge gap between indigenous vs. non-indigenous vaccination rates. Would your strategy be to stigmatize indigenous Australian

Right now in Australia, there is a huge gap between indigenous vs. non-indigenous vaccination rates. Would your strategy be to stigmatize indigenous Australians as stupid, or to stigmatize them in other ways (which ones?) in order to convince them to get vaccinated?

caslon 5y ago
Anyone who isn't vaccinated for anything but physician-verified medical reasons is stupid, and should be stigmatized as such. The act of not shaming idiots in communities based on nothing but race is racist. Bad actors should be shamed until there is pressure for them to not reproduce, whether that's with death or just the natural outcome of being seen as unintelligent and therefore less desirable. There are many communities of racial minorities that are undervaccinated in comparison to the general population. They aren't absolved of the consequences of their actions because of the color of their skin. That would be pretty racist.
- sjwalter 5y ago
  Dude, you're stupid to not be vaccinated if you already have recovered from covid and have superior natural immunity? That's an extremely silly take. It's like you think this is about compliance rather than, you know, ending the pandemic.
  - caslon 5y ago
    Unironically yes. There are simple steps that can be taken to drastically reduce the amount of harm caused unto you and by you unto others and transmission through vaccinated individuals is lowered. We would have been done with this before any variants arrived if stupidity wasn't celebrated. Since it's too late to genuinely fix now, the best thing that can happen is shaming stupidity. Applying evolutionary pressure to individuals that take bad actions is an incredibly good idea. Making the unvaccinated modern lepers is good for society as a whole. It's not compliance, it's acting rationally. Politically, I'm not even very far from the group most adamant about not getting vaccinated (card-carrying anti-Democrat, here), yet I still acknowledge that not getting vaccinated is an incredible act of stupidity. People who celebrate stupidity instead of acting rationally in times of plague should have evolutionary pressure applied. It's too late to turn back time and fix the pandemic by forcing them to act rationally, but by applying pressure to prevent them from having success in society, we can make them much less likely to be around the next time this happens. The society of the United States has been doing things like this since it began quite successfully, and it would be ridiculous to stop doing it now.
    - dang 5y ago
      You posted a bunch of flamewar comments in this thread. That's bad. It doesn't seem you're in the habit of it (that's good), but would you please review the site guidelines and not do this again? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 5y ago
    You've unfortunately been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed here, because it's destructive of what the site is for. It's also the line at which we ban accounts (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations). Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended from now on? That means for intellectual curiosity.
newbamboo 5y ago
Similar in the US, we have a “vaccine gap” for black and latinx caused by hesitancy/racism. They amazingly don’t trust a system the authorities have been spending a lot of effort telling them is a racist system. But the media, despite the fact that the most hesitant groups are people of color, have painted a portrait of the vaccine hesitant as bad white people (rural, politically conservative, Christian). So shaming and ridicule have been embraced. The media and most elites, many posters here included, love to hate rural citizens, at least those who they presume to be privileged (ie white). They do not realize they are criticizing the uneducated poor, largely disadvantaged black people in urban areas.

caslon 5y ago

Anyone who isn't vaccinated for anything but physician-verified medical reasons is stupid, and should be stigmatized as such. The act of not shaming idiots in communities based on nothing but race is racist. Bad actors should be shamed until there is pressure for them to not reproduce, whether that's with death or just the natural outcome of being seen as unintelligent and therefore less desirable. There are many communities of racial minorities that are undervaccinated in comparison to the general population. They aren't absolved of the consequences of their actions because of the color of their skin. That would be pretty racist.

sjwalter 5y ago
Dude, you're stupid to not be vaccinated if you already have recovered from covid and have superior natural immunity? That's an extremely silly take. It's like you think this is about compliance rather than, you know, ending the pandemic.
- caslon 5y ago
  Unironically yes. There are simple steps that can be taken to drastically reduce the amount of harm caused unto you and by you unto others and transmission through vaccinated individuals is lowered. We would have been done with this before any variants arrived if stupidity wasn't celebrated. Since it's too late to genuinely fix now, the best thing that can happen is shaming stupidity. Applying evolutionary pressure to individuals that take bad actions is an incredibly good idea. Making the unvaccinated modern lepers is good for society as a whole. It's not compliance, it's acting rationally. Politically, I'm not even very far from the group most adamant about not getting vaccinated (card-carrying anti-Democrat, here), yet I still acknowledge that not getting vaccinated is an incredible act of stupidity. People who celebrate stupidity instead of acting rationally in times of plague should have evolutionary pressure applied. It's too late to turn back time and fix the pandemic by forcing them to act rationally, but by applying pressure to prevent them from having success in society, we can make them much less likely to be around the next time this happens. The society of the United States has been doing things like this since it began quite successfully, and it would be ridiculous to stop doing it now.
  - dang 5y ago
    You posted a bunch of flamewar comments in this thread. That's bad. It doesn't seem you're in the habit of it (that's good), but would you please review the site guidelines and not do this again? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  You've unfortunately been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed here, because it's destructive of what the site is for. It's also the line at which we ban accounts (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations). Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended from now on? That means for intellectual curiosity.

newbamboo 5y ago

Similar in the US, we have a “vaccine gap” for black and latinx caused by hesitancy/racism. They amazingly don’t trust a system the authorities have been spending a lot of effort telling them is a racist system. But the media, despite the fact that the most hesitant groups are people of color, have painted a portrait of the vaccine hesitant as bad white people (rural, politically conservative, Christian). So shaming and ridicule have been embraced. The media and most elites, many posters here included, love to hate rural citizens, at least those who they presume to be privileged (ie white). They do not realize they are criticizing the uneducated poor, largely disadvantaged black people in urban areas.