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A couple of arguments I have heard against unionizing at the Tesla factory is that the workers are part of the innovation that takes place there. I'm not sure i

A couple of arguments I have heard against unionizing at the Tesla factory is that the workers are part of the innovation that takes place there. I'm not sure if that kind of flexibility would be permitted in a union run factory. Also the UAW rarely does or is able to negotiate for stock options, which Tesla workers currently have. Although I can't speak to the validity of either of these. Glass door seems to rate Tesla well and I doubt Tesla managed to game Glass Door but no one else has.

op00to 5y ago
What? How are non-union employees “innovative”, but union employees are unable to be innovative? Just because you are a part of a union doesn’t mean your brain shuts off.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  I am under the impression that job descriptions and what they are allowed to do as part of their job is constrained for union workers. As a form of protection, this makes sense, so that you can't be forced to do work that you aren't being paid for, like repairing equipment. This has both upsides and downsides and I have heard that sometimes it is taken to extremes.
penjelly 5y ago
> game Glass Door but no one else has. weird to assume glassdoor is 100% immune to being gamed.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  I don't but if one company can then I would imagine others with similar resources could as well. Yet some rich, tech savvy companies still have poor scores.
ubertaco 5y ago
>I doubt Tesla managed to game GlassDoor but no one else has. Uh, gaming GlassDoor is pretty common practice. A not-insignificant number of companies tie either carrots (small bonuses) or sticks (a condition of continued employment) to employees leaving artificially-positive reviews on GlassDoor. It tends to be symptomatic of the same sort of environment where illegal union-busting tactics would be totally normal.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  On one hand that makes sense but on the other hand, why does a company with tech savvy people and tons of money, like Amazon, not game it then? There are plenty of companies with both tech savvy and serious resources that have terrible GlassDoor scores.
  - Jcowell 5y ago
    Why would need to? Is there a shortage of people , warehouse and developers, not applying despite hearing about the culture?

op00to 5y ago

What? How are non-union employees “innovative”, but union employees are unable to be innovative? Just because you are a part of a union doesn’t mean your brain shuts off.

SyzygistSix 5y ago
I am under the impression that job descriptions and what they are allowed to do as part of their job is constrained for union workers. As a form of protection, this makes sense, so that you can't be forced to do work that you aren't being paid for, like repairing equipment. This has both upsides and downsides and I have heard that sometimes it is taken to extremes.

penjelly 5y ago

> game Glass Door but no one else has. weird to assume glassdoor is 100% immune to being gamed.

SyzygistSix 5y ago
I don't but if one company can then I would imagine others with similar resources could as well. Yet some rich, tech savvy companies still have poor scores.

ubertaco 5y ago

>I doubt Tesla managed to game GlassDoor but no one else has. Uh, gaming GlassDoor is pretty common practice. A not-insignificant number of companies tie either carrots (small bonuses) or sticks (a condition of continued employment) to employees leaving artificially-positive reviews on GlassDoor. It tends to be symptomatic of the same sort of environment where illegal union-busting tactics would be totally normal.

SyzygistSix 5y ago
On one hand that makes sense but on the other hand, why does a company with tech savvy people and tons of money, like Amazon, not game it then? There are plenty of companies with both tech savvy and serious resources that have terrible GlassDoor scores.
- Jcowell 5y ago
  Why would need to? Is there a shortage of people , warehouse and developers, not applying despite hearing about the culture?