4 ms·

Is Rafael de Espindola on that list? He seems to have left on not that great terms and I can imagine him not being interested in supporting a license change. H

Is Rafael de Espindola on that list? He seems to have left on not that great terms and I can imagine him not being interested in supporting a license change. He was a prolific contributor.

m0zg 5y ago
I don't see why he would necessarily be against relicensing, frankly. His rejection of racial discrimination (which LLVM indirectly supported in that case) has nothing to do with licensing of the code.
respindola 5y ago
I guess I should be, but I don't see myself there. I haven't agreed to changing the license from the beginning: https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2017-August/116370.html https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2017-August/116370... I have contributed to LLVM while working for INdT in Brazil, Google in Ireland and Canada, Mozilla and Sony Interactive Entertainment (both in Canada). I probably also got a few patches in between jobs. Maybe they have tracked every patch to every employer and checked that the copyright is OK. Maybe they also rewrote the patches I did in between jobs, but I am not aware of any of that. While my reason for leaving LLVM are indeed different from the license change, having to abandon what was a fairly successful career for refusing to accept racism does make it less likely that I will reconsider.
- wyldfire 5y ago
  Thanks for your contributions, Rafael. Do you ever regret your decision? I think I understand your perspective, but does it ever seem a bit impractical to move away over the CoC? It seems like Renato had similar misgivings but resolved to stay, for example. I can understand not wanting to agree to the CoC but what about continuing to contribute without agreeing? Also, the association with "outreachy" seems to have little impact on most developers work. Why let it bother you any more than the evils of companies who use llvm in their products supporting censorship or other things you might oppose?
  - respindola 5y ago
    The CoC I think I could live with, if it would stop there. The LLVM foundation supporting outreachy that was too much for me. It would indeed have little or no impact on me, since I was already an established developer, but I know that would not have been the case if I was starting now (I wrote a bit about it in https://quillette.com/2018/06/26/diversity-and-discrimination-in-open-source/ https://quillette.com/2018/06/26/diversity-and-discriminatio...). More importantly, Niemöller's poem always comes to mind when the argument is "it has little impact on you". So no, I don't regret it.

Is Rafael de Espindola on that list? He seems to have left on not that great terms and I can imagine him not being interested in supporting a license change. He was a prolific contributor.

m0zg 5y ago

I don't see why he would necessarily be against relicensing, frankly. His rejection of racial discrimination (which LLVM indirectly supported in that case) has nothing to do with licensing of the code.

respindola 5y ago

I guess I should be, but I don't see myself there. I haven't agreed to changing the license from the beginning: https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2017-August/116370.html https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2017-August/116370... I have contributed to LLVM while working for INdT in Brazil, Google in Ireland and Canada, Mozilla and Sony Interactive Entertainment (both in Canada). I probably also got a few patches in between jobs. Maybe they have tracked every patch to every employer and checked that the copyright is OK. Maybe they also rewrote the patches I did in between jobs, but I am not aware of any of that. While my reason for leaving LLVM are indeed different from the license change, having to abandon what was a fairly successful career for refusing to accept racism does make it less likely that I will reconsider.

wyldfire 5y ago
Thanks for your contributions, Rafael. Do you ever regret your decision? I think I understand your perspective, but does it ever seem a bit impractical to move away over the CoC? It seems like Renato had similar misgivings but resolved to stay, for example. I can understand not wanting to agree to the CoC but what about continuing to contribute without agreeing? Also, the association with "outreachy" seems to have little impact on most developers work. Why let it bother you any more than the evils of companies who use llvm in their products supporting censorship or other things you might oppose?
- respindola 5y ago
  The CoC I think I could live with, if it would stop there. The LLVM foundation supporting outreachy that was too much for me. It would indeed have little or no impact on me, since I was already an established developer, but I know that would not have been the case if I was starting now (I wrote a bit about it in https://quillette.com/2018/06/26/diversity-and-discrimination-in-open-source/ https://quillette.com/2018/06/26/diversity-and-discriminatio...). More importantly, Niemöller's poem always comes to mind when the argument is "it has little impact on you". So no, I don't regret it.