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Your logic is literally flat earth level sillyness. There's tons of evidence in medicine/biology of consciousness arising from matter.

strogonoff 5y ago
Flat Earth is a trivially refutable theory, and had been specifically demonstrated to be false. Perhaps I’m missing something, but I am failing to see the same in case of the “consciousness-from-matter” theory.
- Madmallard 5y ago
  EEG signal go up, person awareness go up. Boom. Done deal.
  - strogonoff 5y ago
    Until there is evidence I’m calling this cargo cult. Note that the article actually suggests the evidence to the contrary. You make a choice to change your lifestyle, boom microbiome.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      Choices are the result of neuronal information processing which can, in some ways, be impacted by diet and microbiome. It goes both ways.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  I'm not sure you and I have the same definition of "awareness" An organism can detect something, be aware of it, by sensing it. This involves some stimulation and then neuronal transmission, the processing that happens determines if the stimulus reaches conscious awareness as not all stimuli does.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    To add to this, conscious awareness can be equated to all thought processes. Thought processes are an internal representation of signal processing some by the communication networks of the brain and other associated systems (mostly neurons/glia but other systems do have impact on processing in various ways)
    - strogonoff 5y ago
      It is abundantly clear that this is your position. What I was asking for is reasoning / research / evidence to support the idea that thought processes are representations of neuronal activity and not the reverse.
      - netizen-936824 5y ago
        https://news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2021-05-20-neuronal-processes-thoughts-bring-prostheses-life https://news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2021-05-20-neuron... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15505972/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15505972/ https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.01169/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.0116...
        strogonoff 5y ago
        You are ignoring what I write. My point is that those neurons that move prosthetic arm may be consequences of conscious activity, its indicators if you will. I won’t read the rest of the links.

strogonoff 5y ago

Flat Earth is a trivially refutable theory, and had been specifically demonstrated to be false. Perhaps I’m missing something, but I am failing to see the same in case of the “consciousness-from-matter” theory.

Madmallard 5y ago
EEG signal go up, person awareness go up. Boom. Done deal.
- strogonoff 5y ago
  Until there is evidence I’m calling this cargo cult. Note that the article actually suggests the evidence to the contrary. You make a choice to change your lifestyle, boom microbiome.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    Choices are the result of neuronal information processing which can, in some ways, be impacted by diet and microbiome. It goes both ways.
netizen-936824 5y ago
I'm not sure you and I have the same definition of "awareness" An organism can detect something, be aware of it, by sensing it. This involves some stimulation and then neuronal transmission, the processing that happens determines if the stimulus reaches conscious awareness as not all stimuli does.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  To add to this, conscious awareness can be equated to all thought processes. Thought processes are an internal representation of signal processing some by the communication networks of the brain and other associated systems (mostly neurons/glia but other systems do have impact on processing in various ways)
  - strogonoff 5y ago
    It is abundantly clear that this is your position. What I was asking for is reasoning / research / evidence to support the idea that thought processes are representations of neuronal activity and not the reverse.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      https://news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2021-05-20-neuronal-processes-thoughts-bring-prostheses-life https://news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2021-05-20-neuron... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15505972/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15505972/ https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.01169/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.0116...
      - strogonoff 5y ago
        You are ignoring what I write. My point is that those neurons that move prosthetic arm may be consequences of conscious activity, its indicators if you will. I won’t read the rest of the links.