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> similar amounts of virus in vaccinated people Yeah right, gonna have to see a reference for that. Is it 'some vaccinated people have been found with equivale

> similar amounts of virus in vaccinated people Yeah right, gonna have to see a reference for that. Is it 'some vaccinated people have been found with equivalent amounts of virus' or 'on average they have the same amount of virus'. Because they're vastly different scenarios.

elvatoloco55 5y ago
Its well documented that unvaccinated or vaccinated spread the virus in similar percentages. Go look in google scholar, why do you want to be spoon fed
- dsr_ 5y ago
  It's not for their benefit, it's for yours. Do you want to be known as the sort of person who claims "it's in the literature" but never provides cites? Or do you want to be known as the sort of person who says "it's at this link"? Unless you have gained name recognition, HN is a series of games in which you can decide to play or not in any given round, has limited but real downside (in terms of fake internet points), and not very limited upside. So you can get away with being a defector on occasion, but it's much better to be a cooperator.
  - SubuSS 5y ago
    The whole citing business has become more of googling your viewpoint and providing the top 10 links rather than actual research. It has been my long standing opinion that this is pretty much the same as replacing your doctor with webmd. Sadly experts can’t be replaced by YouTube education. Anyway - my first google link - https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/no-vaccinated-people-are-not-just-as-infectious-as-unvaccinated-people-if-they-get-covid-171302 https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/no-vacc...
mandmandam 5y ago
? This is quite wide-spread and old news, and trivial to look up yourself before getting snarky. > For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...
- n4r9 5y ago
  Being vaccinated reduces the chance of getting infected in the first place. This is true even for the delta variant (although much more so for earlier variants) https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/s1473309921006484-1635425926927.pdf https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/pb-assets/La...
  - mandmandam 5y ago
    That doesn't take away from the truth of what I said - in fact it's covered at length in the very same link I posted. Sigh
    - n4r9 5y ago
      Your link contained a speculation about the length of time for which vaccinated people are infectious. Mine is a study demonstrating that the chance of transmission to contacts is reduced. Surely probability of transmission is the key factor determining whether vaccination reduces the spread of the disease?

elvatoloco55 5y ago

Its well documented that unvaccinated or vaccinated spread the virus in similar percentages. Go look in google scholar, why do you want to be spoon fed

dsr_ 5y ago
It's not for their benefit, it's for yours. Do you want to be known as the sort of person who claims "it's in the literature" but never provides cites? Or do you want to be known as the sort of person who says "it's at this link"? Unless you have gained name recognition, HN is a series of games in which you can decide to play or not in any given round, has limited but real downside (in terms of fake internet points), and not very limited upside. So you can get away with being a defector on occasion, but it's much better to be a cooperator.
- SubuSS 5y ago
  The whole citing business has become more of googling your viewpoint and providing the top 10 links rather than actual research. It has been my long standing opinion that this is pretty much the same as replacing your doctor with webmd. Sadly experts can’t be replaced by YouTube education. Anyway - my first google link - https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/no-vaccinated-people-are-not-just-as-infectious-as-unvaccinated-people-if-they-get-covid-171302 https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/no-vacc...

mandmandam 5y ago

? This is quite wide-spread and old news, and trivial to look up yourself before getting snarky. > For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...

n4r9 5y ago
Being vaccinated reduces the chance of getting infected in the first place. This is true even for the delta variant (although much more so for earlier variants) https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/s1473309921006484-1635425926927.pdf https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/pb-assets/La...
- mandmandam 5y ago
  That doesn't take away from the truth of what I said - in fact it's covered at length in the very same link I posted. Sigh
  - n4r9 5y ago
    Your link contained a speculation about the length of time for which vaccinated people are infectious. Mine is a study demonstrating that the chance of transmission to contacts is reduced. Surely probability of transmission is the key factor determining whether vaccination reduces the spread of the disease?