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It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. It is simply a single issue token. The current imple

by _gf4m 5y ago

It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. It is simply a single issue token. The current implementation is nearly 100% for art purposes, in that they are tokens that point to cloud storage. As a developer I can create whatever services I want, based off of a determined, finite collection of single issue tokens. The token can do whatever the developer of the token wants it to do, and grant access to whatever services they want it to have access. If I was to implement this with traditional web infrastructure, it would increase the scope of my project by likely 2-3 times. I am a single developer, and yeah I may have like a decade of experience at this point, but utilizing this instead of integrating traditional payment and authentication services, as well as traditional database services, dramatically decreases the scope of my project. Seriously, it would probably not be a feasible project for me alone if I stuck to traditional infra. It is empowering me, as a solo developer, to create something unique that I hope people find some enjoyment out of. Let me be very straightforward here - I have spent the past 4 months working full time creating interactive generative art, that I 100% absolutely never would do so, unless there are economic incentives. This is an independent venture, I'm running it as my first business venture outside of the traditional corporate world, and I want to create something unique. I am planning on charging a very fair price for mint, basically only enough that if my full collection is minted and I do nothing else, then I would extend the amount of time I have until I have to go back to the corporate grind from about 6 months from now to about a year. I'm not creating a collection and charging like $500 per piece, I am targetting like $20. Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. People keep saying this, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. But what I'm asking is: what in god's name is it actually good for, other than scams? > Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely. But this is precisely what you're doing with it too! Your service is just creating generative art and minting an NFT for it, from what I can tell, with the sole intention of convincing people to pay for the NFT so you can make money. From the sounds of it, the NFT is just the authentication token, perhaps signing some set of parameters that determine the "unique" generative algorithm that the user "bought". Sure, fine, whatever, but you could have done that with boring old certificates and a database. What value, other than NFT hype, did putting it on a decentralized trustless blockchain do for you? People keep trying to sell this as some revolutionary technology and I just don't see it.
- shiohime 5y ago
  The best way I can describe my project to you is the difference between owning a room and owning a picture of a room. You cannot enter the room, only see it from a static angle based on the picture. This is the fundamental difference between what my project can do and what a static image does. My service does not interact with the PNG, it interacts with the space that my program generated, and took a picture of. The user can connect their wallet, select their art, and explore the "room" generated with it. To do this in web2 infra, like I said, is a much more complicated problem and would involve probably non-user friendly DRM. It's simply a different technology, and really if you don't understand it I hope there are more projects out there that come out in the next year that change your mind. You can write off my project as a get rich quick scheme, but that is from a point of ignorance from someone that probably hasn't tried to create something on their own and market it. I'm creating a project, charging a very reasonable price, for interactive art. I don't really care about your opinion on if you think I'm trying to make money for providing a product.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    > The best way I can describe my project to you is the difference between owning a room and owning a picture of a room. You cannot enter the room, only see it from a static angle based on the picture. You already said this, and as I mentioned you do not need, nor can I see why anyone would want, a decentralized trustless blockchain-backed token for this. > To do this in web2 infra, like I said, is a much more complicated problem and would involve probably non-user friendly DRM. No it wouldn't, it just requires certificates and maybe accounts if you want a backup in case people lose their certificates. Or you could use the accounts without the certificates. Millions and millions of services provide "access to a virtual room" or the equivalent already today without ever touching a blockchain. Besides which, what are you describing if not Digital Rights Management? Don't pretend that NFTs aren't the same damn artificial scarcity nonsense in a hip new garb. > You can write off my project as a get rich quick scheme, but that is from a point of ignorance from someone that probably hasn't tried to create something on their own and market it. I have, and I wasn't any good at it, but that's irrelevant. The point is that the only reason you seem to want to use an NFT is so you can get paid for it, presumably because NFTs are hip and sexy and traditional infrastructure doing the same thing for millions of online services isn't. You're praying on people falling for the hype. You have not explained specifically in what ways an NFT gives you a better ability to do what you're doing than traditional solutions, other than to simply assert that it does. > I don't really care about your opinion on if you think I'm trying to make money for providing a product. I don't bemoan people trying to make money on a product. But I do, in fact, look down on people trying to take advantage of a hype bubble and push FOMO by pretending like it is some kind of revolution.

by _gf4m 5y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

> It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. People keep saying this, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. But what I'm asking is: what in god's name is it actually good for, other than scams? > Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely. But this is precisely what you're doing with it too! Your service is just creating generative art and minting an NFT for it, from what I can tell, with the sole intention of convincing people to pay for the NFT so you can make money. From the sounds of it, the NFT is just the authentication token, perhaps signing some set of parameters that determine the "unique" generative algorithm that the user "bought". Sure, fine, whatever, but you could have done that with boring old certificates and a database. What value, other than NFT hype, did putting it on a decentralized trustless blockchain do for you? People keep trying to sell this as some revolutionary technology and I just don't see it.

shiohime 5y ago
The best way I can describe my project to you is the difference between owning a room and owning a picture of a room. You cannot enter the room, only see it from a static angle based on the picture. This is the fundamental difference between what my project can do and what a static image does. My service does not interact with the PNG, it interacts with the space that my program generated, and took a picture of. The user can connect their wallet, select their art, and explore the "room" generated with it. To do this in web2 infra, like I said, is a much more complicated problem and would involve probably non-user friendly DRM. It's simply a different technology, and really if you don't understand it I hope there are more projects out there that come out in the next year that change your mind. You can write off my project as a get rich quick scheme, but that is from a point of ignorance from someone that probably hasn't tried to create something on their own and market it. I'm creating a project, charging a very reasonable price, for interactive art. I don't really care about your opinion on if you think I'm trying to make money for providing a product.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > The best way I can describe my project to you is the difference between owning a room and owning a picture of a room. You cannot enter the room, only see it from a static angle based on the picture. You already said this, and as I mentioned you do not need, nor can I see why anyone would want, a decentralized trustless blockchain-backed token for this. > To do this in web2 infra, like I said, is a much more complicated problem and would involve probably non-user friendly DRM. No it wouldn't, it just requires certificates and maybe accounts if you want a backup in case people lose their certificates. Or you could use the accounts without the certificates. Millions and millions of services provide "access to a virtual room" or the equivalent already today without ever touching a blockchain. Besides which, what are you describing if not Digital Rights Management? Don't pretend that NFTs aren't the same damn artificial scarcity nonsense in a hip new garb. > You can write off my project as a get rich quick scheme, but that is from a point of ignorance from someone that probably hasn't tried to create something on their own and market it. I have, and I wasn't any good at it, but that's irrelevant. The point is that the only reason you seem to want to use an NFT is so you can get paid for it, presumably because NFTs are hip and sexy and traditional infrastructure doing the same thing for millions of online services isn't. You're praying on people falling for the hype. You have not explained specifically in what ways an NFT gives you a better ability to do what you're doing than traditional solutions, other than to simply assert that it does. > I don't really care about your opinion on if you think I'm trying to make money for providing a product. I don't bemoan people trying to make money on a product. But I do, in fact, look down on people trying to take advantage of a hype bubble and push FOMO by pretending like it is some kind of revolution.