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> You can't use any copy of the png to interact with other services, since there is only one service that allows for the interactive capabilities, and it requir

> You can't use any copy of the png to interact with other services, since there is only one service that allows for the interactive capabilities, and it requires ownership of the token to access. This makes no sense. Given any possible interaction you could have with a PNG some other service can replicate it. They could choose to do so with alternative NFTs pointing to the same PNGs, or just let you use any PNG at your leisure. Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say your service is utterly unique. That you have somehow invented some kind of super-magic software that does something super incredible with PNGs that no one else can manage, and you've decided that NFTs are the way to determine who can and cannot use the service. What exactly is your reasoning to use NFTs in this way instead of traditional authentication mechanisms? Because the only one I can think of is capitalizing off the NFT hype. Please, convince me that NFTs as a technology have some inherent value instead of all their value being derived from a collective delusion and FOMO. I'm aching to hear a good, concrete usecase for the technology that simply cannot be done better without it.

_gf4m 5y ago
It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. It is simply a single issue token. The current implementation is nearly 100% for art purposes, in that they are tokens that point to cloud storage. As a developer I can create whatever services I want, based off of a determined, finite collection of single issue tokens. The token can do whatever the developer of the token wants it to do, and grant access to whatever services they want it to have access. If I was to implement this with traditional web infrastructure, it would increase the scope of my project by likely 2-3 times. I am a single developer, and yeah I may have like a decade of experience at this point, but utilizing this instead of integrating traditional payment and authentication services, as well as traditional database services, dramatically decreases the scope of my project. Seriously, it would probably not be a feasible project for me alone if I stuck to traditional infra. It is empowering me, as a solo developer, to create something unique that I hope people find some enjoyment out of. Let me be very straightforward here - I have spent the past 4 months working full time creating interactive generative art, that I 100% absolutely never would do so, unless there are economic incentives. This is an independent venture, I'm running it as my first business venture outside of the traditional corporate world, and I want to create something unique. I am planning on charging a very fair price for mint, basically only enough that if my full collection is minted and I do nothing else, then I would extend the amount of time I have until I have to go back to the corporate grind from about 6 months from now to about a year. I'm not creating a collection and charging like $500 per piece, I am targetting like $20. Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. People keep saying this, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. But what I'm asking is: what in god's name is it actually good for, other than scams? > Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely. But this is precisely what you're doing with it too! Your service is just creating generative art and minting an NFT for it, from what I can tell, with the sole intention of convincing people to pay for the NFT so you can make money. From the sounds of it, the NFT is just the authentication token, perhaps signing some set of parameters that determine the "unique" generative algorithm that the user "bought". Sure, fine, whatever, but you could have done that with boring old certificates and a database. What value, other than NFT hype, did putting it on a decentralized trustless blockchain do for you? People keep trying to sell this as some revolutionary technology and I just don't see it.
  - shiohime 5y ago
    The best way I can describe my project to you is the difference between owning a room and owning a picture of a room. You cannot enter the room, only see it from a static angle based on the picture. This is the fundamental difference between what my project can do and what a static image does. My service does not interact with the PNG, it interacts with the space that my program generated, and took a picture of. The user can connect their wallet, select their art, and explore the "room" generated with it. To do this in web2 infra, like I said, is a much more complicated problem and would involve probably non-user friendly DRM. It's simply a different technology, and really if you don't understand it I hope there are more projects out there that come out in the next year that change your mind. You can write off my project as a get rich quick scheme, but that is from a point of ignorance from someone that probably hasn't tried to create something on their own and market it. I'm creating a project, charging a very reasonable price, for interactive art. I don't really care about your opinion on if you think I'm trying to make money for providing a product.
    - 5y ago

_gf4m 5y ago

It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. It is simply a single issue token. The current implementation is nearly 100% for art purposes, in that they are tokens that point to cloud storage. As a developer I can create whatever services I want, based off of a determined, finite collection of single issue tokens. The token can do whatever the developer of the token wants it to do, and grant access to whatever services they want it to have access. If I was to implement this with traditional web infrastructure, it would increase the scope of my project by likely 2-3 times. I am a single developer, and yeah I may have like a decade of experience at this point, but utilizing this instead of integrating traditional payment and authentication services, as well as traditional database services, dramatically decreases the scope of my project. Seriously, it would probably not be a feasible project for me alone if I stuck to traditional infra. It is empowering me, as a solo developer, to create something unique that I hope people find some enjoyment out of. Let me be very straightforward here - I have spent the past 4 months working full time creating interactive generative art, that I 100% absolutely never would do so, unless there are economic incentives. This is an independent venture, I'm running it as my first business venture outside of the traditional corporate world, and I want to create something unique. I am planning on charging a very fair price for mint, basically only enough that if my full collection is minted and I do nothing else, then I would extend the amount of time I have until I have to go back to the corporate grind from about 6 months from now to about a year. I'm not creating a collection and charging like $500 per piece, I am targetting like $20. Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> It's pretty simple really. You just seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an NFT actually is. People keep saying this, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. But what I'm asking is: what in god's name is it actually good for, other than scams? > Just because there is a ton of hype in the technology and people are making get quick rich schemes left and right with really low effort collections, please don't rule out the tech entirely. But this is precisely what you're doing with it too! Your service is just creating generative art and minting an NFT for it, from what I can tell, with the sole intention of convincing people to pay for the NFT so you can make money. From the sounds of it, the NFT is just the authentication token, perhaps signing some set of parameters that determine the "unique" generative algorithm that the user "bought". Sure, fine, whatever, but you could have done that with boring old certificates and a database. What value, other than NFT hype, did putting it on a decentralized trustless blockchain do for you? People keep trying to sell this as some revolutionary technology and I just don't see it.
- shiohime 5y ago
  The best way I can describe my project to you is the difference between owning a room and owning a picture of a room. You cannot enter the room, only see it from a static angle based on the picture. This is the fundamental difference between what my project can do and what a static image does. My service does not interact with the PNG, it interacts with the space that my program generated, and took a picture of. The user can connect their wallet, select their art, and explore the "room" generated with it. To do this in web2 infra, like I said, is a much more complicated problem and would involve probably non-user friendly DRM. It's simply a different technology, and really if you don't understand it I hope there are more projects out there that come out in the next year that change your mind. You can write off my project as a get rich quick scheme, but that is from a point of ignorance from someone that probably hasn't tried to create something on their own and market it. I'm creating a project, charging a very reasonable price, for interactive art. I don't really care about your opinion on if you think I'm trying to make money for providing a product.
  - 5y ago