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NFTs are considered ownership in nascent online societies. There is no “at large” society. Even nation state recognized ownership in terms of copyright has its

by gfodor 5y ago

NFTs are considered ownership in nascent online societies. There is no “at large” society. Even nation state recognized ownership in terms of copyright has its limits.

zepto 5y ago
If there is no “at large society”, why don’t you live in a nicer house?
- gfodor 5y ago
  Huh? I own my home in the eyes of most people I care about (for example, most citizens and authorities of the United States.) But even within the US there are for example socialists who reject the idea I own my home. They just don’t have the means to overturn this particular norm within the sovereignty of my country - but in some circles like that insofar as “being a homeowner” confers privileges such privileges would not exist.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Sure but that’s what people mean by ‘at large society’. The fact that there are a few socialists tho object is irrelevant.
    - gfodor 5y ago
      When it comes to physical land and real estate then I agree there is a pretty natural definition of “at large” - the sovereignties the land is located within. For other things like copyright and other extra-physical forms of ownership that span society at large, there is no macro set of laws governing these things universally so context matters.
      - zepto 5y ago
        There are in fact laws governing copyright, and international agreements. Using the words macro and universally allow your statement to be true in the most literal sense that there are no universal laws, but otherwise, copyright is just as universal as land ownership. I.e. most places have a version of it, but there are many local variations. Arguably, copyright is probably more universal than land ownership since it is a newer concept and there is less local divergence.
        gfodor 5y ago
        I’m aware that there are international copyright laws but they are far from universal if that’s taken to mean human society on Earth.
        zepto 5y ago
        They exist in nearly everywhere on the planet are in fact a great candidate for the most universal laws that exist, and are objectively far more universal than land ownership laws. “Copyright laws are standardized somewhat through these international conventions such as the Berne Convention and Universal Copyright Convention. These multilateral treaties have been ratified by nearly all countries, and international organizations such as the European Union or World Trade Organization require their member states to comply with them.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#International_copyright_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#International_copyri...
malermeister 5y ago
> NFTs are considered ownership in nascent online societies. iow: "small subcultures". > There is no “at large” society. Of course there is. Do you really think USD for example isn't accepted by society at large?

by gfodor 5y ago

NFTs are considered ownership in nascent online societies. There is no “at large” society. Even nation state recognized ownership in terms of copyright has its limits.

zepto 5y ago

If there is no “at large society”, why don’t you live in a nicer house?

gfodor 5y ago
Huh? I own my home in the eyes of most people I care about (for example, most citizens and authorities of the United States.) But even within the US there are for example socialists who reject the idea I own my home. They just don’t have the means to overturn this particular norm within the sovereignty of my country - but in some circles like that insofar as “being a homeowner” confers privileges such privileges would not exist.
- zepto 5y ago
  Sure but that’s what people mean by ‘at large society’. The fact that there are a few socialists tho object is irrelevant.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    When it comes to physical land and real estate then I agree there is a pretty natural definition of “at large” - the sovereignties the land is located within. For other things like copyright and other extra-physical forms of ownership that span society at large, there is no macro set of laws governing these things universally so context matters.
    - zepto 5y ago
      There are in fact laws governing copyright, and international agreements. Using the words macro and universally allow your statement to be true in the most literal sense that there are no universal laws, but otherwise, copyright is just as universal as land ownership. I.e. most places have a version of it, but there are many local variations. Arguably, copyright is probably more universal than land ownership since it is a newer concept and there is less local divergence.
      - gfodor 5y ago
        I’m aware that there are international copyright laws but they are far from universal if that’s taken to mean human society on Earth.
        zepto 5y ago
        They exist in nearly everywhere on the planet are in fact a great candidate for the most universal laws that exist, and are objectively far more universal than land ownership laws. “Copyright laws are standardized somewhat through these international conventions such as the Berne Convention and Universal Copyright Convention. These multilateral treaties have been ratified by nearly all countries, and international organizations such as the European Union or World Trade Organization require their member states to comply with them.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#International_copyright_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#International_copyri...

malermeister 5y ago

> NFTs are considered ownership in nascent online societies. iow: "small subcultures". > There is no “at large” society. Of course there is. Do you really think USD for example isn't accepted by society at large?