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What you describe in the last paragraph is, I think, the reason so many gay men join/ed the priesthood. Celibacy is less of a sacrifice / it is/was a highly res

What you describe in the last paragraph is, I think, the reason so many gay men join/ed the priesthood. Celibacy is less of a sacrifice / it is/was a highly respected thing a man who doesn't want to marry can do.

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vmception 5y ago
and then many diverge from the celibacy part and for a subset of them sometimes that involved children. huh, never previously thought about it that way. I could never figure out how so many children get abused especially from religious authority figures of the same sex, and the depth of the normie conversation is that "its because their brain is messed up there is no explanation worth considering because this conversation makes us uncomfortable" and it just seemed to me that the distribution was too concentrated for the "power abusing pedophile seeks position of power" answer, because I couldn't reconcile the "yeah but the same-sex part?", very high concentration. Interesting to see there are other externalities that contribute to the concentration. For consensual things between adults I wonder if that is common amongst the priests/religious authority figures on the same-sex side.
- bavent 5y ago
  gay != pedophile. I think a more reasonable explanation is that people who are sexually attracted to kids maybe seek out positions where they will have authority over them. Edit: looks like you edited your comment while I was typing my reply. I think the concentration can be explained by the larger amount of boys-only schools, etc., and priesthoods allowing only males. So naturally there is a filter - men who are attracted to young boys will go into the priesthood more than men who are attracted to young girls.
  - vmception 5y ago
    yeah I figured someone would misread that no matter how many ways I tried to write it. hm yeah I can see that filter, and its also probably self-reinforcing across generations now as abused alumni take the same roles and continue the cycle
  - edgyquant 5y ago
    That’s true but a percentage of all people, gay or straight, are pedophiles. I think the reason the church is associated with boys in general as there was easier access to boys (this may not be the case and I could be speaking in ignorance.) I also read that the church itself doesn’t have a higher rate of sexual abuse than any other institution that works with kids (e.g. schools.)

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vmception 5y ago

and then many diverge from the celibacy part and for a subset of them sometimes that involved children. huh, never previously thought about it that way. I could never figure out how so many children get abused especially from religious authority figures of the same sex, and the depth of the normie conversation is that "its because their brain is messed up there is no explanation worth considering because this conversation makes us uncomfortable" and it just seemed to me that the distribution was too concentrated for the "power abusing pedophile seeks position of power" answer, because I couldn't reconcile the "yeah but the same-sex part?", very high concentration. Interesting to see there are other externalities that contribute to the concentration. For consensual things between adults I wonder if that is common amongst the priests/religious authority figures on the same-sex side.

bavent 5y ago
gay != pedophile. I think a more reasonable explanation is that people who are sexually attracted to kids maybe seek out positions where they will have authority over them. Edit: looks like you edited your comment while I was typing my reply. I think the concentration can be explained by the larger amount of boys-only schools, etc., and priesthoods allowing only males. So naturally there is a filter - men who are attracted to young boys will go into the priesthood more than men who are attracted to young girls.
- vmception 5y ago
  yeah I figured someone would misread that no matter how many ways I tried to write it. hm yeah I can see that filter, and its also probably self-reinforcing across generations now as abused alumni take the same roles and continue the cycle
- edgyquant 5y ago
  That’s true but a percentage of all people, gay or straight, are pedophiles. I think the reason the church is associated with boys in general as there was easier access to boys (this may not be the case and I could be speaking in ignorance.) I also read that the church itself doesn’t have a higher rate of sexual abuse than any other institution that works with kids (e.g. schools.)