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obviously, they are not distracted by beautiful women.

twofornone 5y ago
People probably think this comment is sexist or something but I think somewhere over the course of the last 60 years of the feminist movement we started to completely ignore that humans are sexual beings and pubescent males have strong primal urges that absolutely will be amplified in the presence of women. As I've gotten older I've come to realize that maybe there was a legitimate purpose behind thousands of years of gendered segregation, beyond some shallow explanation like sexism. How much potential do kids lose to chasing and fighting over women in schools/colleges? I'm not suggesting that it's a massive effect but I imagine its significant - and especially so in the military, where fraternization is basically impossible to avoid in coed deployments and can be toxic to morale.
- abeppu 5y ago
  > How much potential do kids lose to chasing and fighting over women in schools/colleges? I notice you seem to have jumped from "kids" to basically straight male kids. In times and places when gender-based segregation was the norm, how much potential was lost when women and girls were either excluded from schools or shunted to lesser schools with a reduced curriculum?
  - moate 5y ago
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  - twofornone 5y ago
    >I notice you seem to have jumped from "kids" to basically straight male kids. Well, yes, because men are more influenced by hormones to actively pursue women who passively choose suitors, like virtually any other sexually dimorphic species. And straight males make up easily 90%+ of the male population, so I don't know why you've even added that qualifier? >In times and places when gender-based segregation was the norm, how much potential was lost when women and girls were either excluded from schools or shunted to lesser schools with a reduced curriculum? That's not an argument against gendered segregation.
    - abeppu 5y ago
      > That's not an argument against gendered segregation. It absolutely is. Gender-based segregation a long history and a terrible track record. You're fixated on what men "lose" by being in an integrated context. The loss to society overall has to account for the other half of the population whose potential and access to education was stifled under that system. How gender-based segregation performed when used is absolutely the appropriate measure of how harmful it is. Some archconservative will always be able to invent some new ad-hoc criteria and say "we haven't tried my specific new framing of segregation; this time I totally promise can make separate but equal equal. You should totally ignore the centuries of history where we tried this and squandered the intellectual capacity of a large fraction of the population as being no longer relevant."
- kelseyfrog 5y ago
  You did a good job demonstrating how the reification of social institutions works.
abeppu 5y ago
Do you think gay men aren't distracted by beautiful men?
moate 5y ago
Wouldn't they be distracted by, IDK, all the men they find attractive but frustratingly cannot be with because they're straight? Or the systemic oppression they face? I mean you're responding to a sociological study with a one sentence quip, so IDK what I expected but what a bad take. I just...wow. If it's only beautiful women that prohibit men from getting degrees, why don't attractive men distract the women? Why are only straight men unable to keep up

People probably think this comment is sexist or something but I think somewhere over the course of the last 60 years of the feminist movement we started to completely ignore that humans are sexual beings and pubescent males have strong primal urges that absolutely will be amplified in the presence of women. As I've gotten older I've come to realize that maybe there was a legitimate purpose behind thousands of years of gendered segregation, beyond some shallow explanation like sexism. How much potential do kids lose to chasing and fighting over women in schools/colleges? I'm not suggesting that it's a massive effect but I imagine its significant - and especially so in the military, where fraternization is basically impossible to avoid in coed deployments and can be toxic to morale.

abeppu 5y ago
> How much potential do kids lose to chasing and fighting over women in schools/colleges? I notice you seem to have jumped from "kids" to basically straight male kids. In times and places when gender-based segregation was the norm, how much potential was lost when women and girls were either excluded from schools or shunted to lesser schools with a reduced curriculum?
- moate 5y ago
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- twofornone 5y ago
  >I notice you seem to have jumped from "kids" to basically straight male kids. Well, yes, because men are more influenced by hormones to actively pursue women who passively choose suitors, like virtually any other sexually dimorphic species. And straight males make up easily 90%+ of the male population, so I don't know why you've even added that qualifier? >In times and places when gender-based segregation was the norm, how much potential was lost when women and girls were either excluded from schools or shunted to lesser schools with a reduced curriculum? That's not an argument against gendered segregation.
  - abeppu 5y ago
    > That's not an argument against gendered segregation. It absolutely is. Gender-based segregation a long history and a terrible track record. You're fixated on what men "lose" by being in an integrated context. The loss to society overall has to account for the other half of the population whose potential and access to education was stifled under that system. How gender-based segregation performed when used is absolutely the appropriate measure of how harmful it is. Some archconservative will always be able to invent some new ad-hoc criteria and say "we haven't tried my specific new framing of segregation; this time I totally promise can make separate but equal equal. You should totally ignore the centuries of history where we tried this and squandered the intellectual capacity of a large fraction of the population as being no longer relevant."
kelseyfrog 5y ago
You did a good job demonstrating how the reification of social institutions works.

abeppu 5y ago

Do you think gay men aren't distracted by beautiful men?

moate 5y ago

Wouldn't they be distracted by, IDK, all the men they find attractive but frustratingly cannot be with because they're straight? Or the systemic oppression they face? I mean you're responding to a sociological study with a one sentence quip, so IDK what I expected but what a bad take. I just...wow. If it's only beautiful women that prohibit men from getting degrees, why don't attractive men distract the women? Why are only straight men unable to keep up