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Microsoft makes this extremely difficult, even for an offline account. If you log into any Microsoft product (Office, Teams, Skype OneDrive, etc), Windows forc

by kop316 5y ago

Microsoft makes this extremely difficult, even for an offline account. If you log into any Microsoft product (Office, Teams, Skype OneDrive, etc), Windows forces you to log into everything else. This is especially infuriating with Office, as they make it extremely difficult to get a standalone product, they very aggressively push Office 364, so you are forced to log into Office to even use it.

jmnicolas 5y ago
> Office 364 I think you're using an old version ;)
- dotancohen 5y ago
  No, he just had downtime on a day other than February 29th!
cyberge99 5y ago
The only common thing in all of those is Microsoft. I think the solution to the problem is obvious.
- nikanj 5y ago
  There's another common thing in all of those: Computers. For many people, "Just stop using Microsoft" is about as useful as "Just stop using computers"
  - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
    > For many people, "Just stop using Microsoft" is about as useful as "Just stop using computers" For many people, it isn't. All of those people should "just stop using Microsoft." That not only helps them, it's an act of solidarity with the people who are still stuck. Because then alternatives have more market share and vendors have to support platforms that aren't Microsoft, which helps the stuck people extricate themselves tomorrow. Do it if you can. Even if it's a little bit of work.
    - dotancohen 5y ago
      I've used Open Office, Go Office, and LibreOffice exclusively since 2005. It used to be a real hassle, but today it is far less so. MS Office's Excel is better than LibreOffice Calc, and Powerpoint is far, far better than LibreOffice Present. But LibreOffice Writer is much easier to use than MS Office Word. That's not just my opinion - everyone who tries it and does not need some esoteric Word-only functionality agrees. Except for one thing: collaboration. MS Word is, from what I'm told, still better for collaboration.
  - squarefoot 5y ago
    > For many people, "Just stop using Microsoft" is about as useful as "Just stop using computers" Absolutely true, but the SaaS/cloud tendency is to turn all computers into terminals (Chromebook/box anyone?), so that one day they'll be a lot cheaper, but sadly all software will have to come off a server on which the user logged in, and all user data will be stored on that or another server as well. Microsoft aims at this, as do Google and others, so for many people sticking with Microsoft and other SaaS pushing companies might really mean one day to stop using real computers anyway.
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  go on welfare because the people telling you what applications to use as part of your day to day work want Microsoft!
gruez 5y ago
>If you log into any Microsoft product (Office, Teams, Skype OneDrive, etc), Windows forces you to log into everything else. No? Unless something changed, I specifically remember it asking me whether I wanted to sign into the OS, or that app only.
concinds 5y ago
As of Windows 10 (haven't tried on 11) it asks if you want to log in with a single app, or the whole user account. I think that's great. Contrast that with Apple, that forces you to login to iCloud (and link your computer's serial with your iCloud account) whenever you log in to the App Store, and requires an Apple ID to download free apps from the App Store, AND enables all iCloud sync options on by default whenever you are logged into iCloud (i.e. you login to the app store, now by default your Stocks, Siri info, Contacts, a bunch of app preferences through iCloud Drive, now get synced without any consent).
- kop316 5y ago
  Hmm...I'll have to look into this, thanks! I did not see an option for that that was obvious to me.
  - zamadatix 5y ago
    Can confirm it's the same on 11 as well, "No, sign in to this app only" is the trick https://i.imgur.com/hm8tR9k.png https://i.imgur.com/hm8tR9k.png. If you're using a personal account for the sign in I don't think the checkbox towards the top is there but otherwise the window is the same. As is right now I have a local unlinked windows account, a work account signed into Office, and a personal account signed into the store.

by kop316 5y ago

jmnicolas 5y ago

> Office 364 I think you're using an old version ;)

dotancohen 5y ago
No, he just had downtime on a day other than February 29th!

cyberge99 5y ago

The only common thing in all of those is Microsoft. I think the solution to the problem is obvious.

nikanj 5y ago
There's another common thing in all of those: Computers. For many people, "Just stop using Microsoft" is about as useful as "Just stop using computers"
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  > For many people, "Just stop using Microsoft" is about as useful as "Just stop using computers" For many people, it isn't. All of those people should "just stop using Microsoft." That not only helps them, it's an act of solidarity with the people who are still stuck. Because then alternatives have more market share and vendors have to support platforms that aren't Microsoft, which helps the stuck people extricate themselves tomorrow. Do it if you can. Even if it's a little bit of work.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    I've used Open Office, Go Office, and LibreOffice exclusively since 2005. It used to be a real hassle, but today it is far less so. MS Office's Excel is better than LibreOffice Calc, and Powerpoint is far, far better than LibreOffice Present. But LibreOffice Writer is much easier to use than MS Office Word. That's not just my opinion - everyone who tries it and does not need some esoteric Word-only functionality agrees. Except for one thing: collaboration. MS Word is, from what I'm told, still better for collaboration.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  > For many people, "Just stop using Microsoft" is about as useful as "Just stop using computers" Absolutely true, but the SaaS/cloud tendency is to turn all computers into terminals (Chromebook/box anyone?), so that one day they'll be a lot cheaper, but sadly all software will have to come off a server on which the user logged in, and all user data will be stored on that or another server as well. Microsoft aims at this, as do Google and others, so for many people sticking with Microsoft and other SaaS pushing companies might really mean one day to stop using real computers anyway.
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
go on welfare because the people telling you what applications to use as part of your day to day work want Microsoft!

gruez 5y ago

>If you log into any Microsoft product (Office, Teams, Skype OneDrive, etc), Windows forces you to log into everything else. No? Unless something changed, I specifically remember it asking me whether I wanted to sign into the OS, or that app only.

concinds 5y ago

As of Windows 10 (haven't tried on 11) it asks if you want to log in with a single app, or the whole user account. I think that's great. Contrast that with Apple, that forces you to login to iCloud (and link your computer's serial with your iCloud account) whenever you log in to the App Store, and requires an Apple ID to download free apps from the App Store, AND enables all iCloud sync options on by default whenever you are logged into iCloud (i.e. you login to the app store, now by default your Stocks, Siri info, Contacts, a bunch of app preferences through iCloud Drive, now get synced without any consent).

kop316 5y ago
Hmm...I'll have to look into this, thanks! I did not see an option for that that was obvious to me.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  Can confirm it's the same on 11 as well, "No, sign in to this app only" is the trick https://i.imgur.com/hm8tR9k.png https://i.imgur.com/hm8tR9k.png. If you're using a personal account for the sign in I don't think the checkbox towards the top is there but otherwise the window is the same. As is right now I have a local unlinked windows account, a work account signed into Office, and a personal account signed into the store.