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I'd rather endure Microsoft's bloated browser than ever, as the author suggests, use the browser owned by the morally and ethically bankrupt Mozilla.

JCWasmx86 5y ago
I think Microsoft did a lot more morally and ethically questionable things than Mozilla
AlexandrB 5y ago
I'm trying to put myself in the headspace of thinking Mozilla is more morally bankrupt than Microsoft but I'm really struggling with it. I suppose that some people believe this means Microsoft marketing has done a good job of rehabilitating their image over the last 10 years.
- ZanyProgrammer 5y ago
  My guess is that there's a fair amount of politics behind such a statement. The kind of politics that has to do with SJWs, Eich, etc rather than any purely technical engineering decisions.
  - froggertoaster 5y ago
    You are quite perceptive. Yes, I find the ousting of Eich to be extremely distasteful. I haven't used a Mozilla product since. Can't speak on the SJW thing though, I have no "anti-SJW" feelings in general, esp. as it relates to Mozilla.
- colesantiago 5y ago
  Mozilla is more morally bankrupt after taking Google money and letting the rise of Chrome going unchecked.
  - jfk13 5y ago
    Do you know some magic formula that would have enabled Mozilla to halt Chrome's "unchecked rise", given the behemoth that was pushing it? Despite having only a fraction of Google's resources, Mozilla continues to develop a competitive browser that provides a realistic alternative to Chrome. But it has never had access to the sort of channels and budget that Google used to promote its browser. (Of course Mozilla has made its share of mistakes. That's an inevitable part of attempting to do anything in this world. But "morally bankrupt" is not a description I recognise.)
shmde 5y ago
You can switch over to Waterfox.
IceWreck 5y ago
Mozilla is no saint especially with their Pocket, Cliqz shennanigans but theyre miles better than MS.
- kreeben 5y ago
  Cliqz, the search engine that went broke early in the pandemic? Tell me more bout the shennanigans, please.
  - aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago
    >On 6 October 2017, Mozilla announced a test where approximately 1% of users downloading Firefox in Germany would receive a version with Cliqz software included. The feature provided recommendations directly in the browser's search field. Recommendations included news, weather, sports, and other websites and were based on the user's browsing history and activities. The press release noted that "Users who receive a version of Firefox with Cliqz will have their browsing activity sent to Cliqz servers, including the URLs of pages they visit," and that "Cliqz uses several techniques to attempt to remove sensitive information from this browsing data before it is sent from Firefox." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      True that was bad. But it's nowhere near as bad as this step from Microsoft.
  - Closi 5y ago
    Well the shenanigans was that it meant that users Firefox with Cliqz pre-installed had all their browsing activity sent to Cliqz servers.
- toss1 5y ago
  Having been a very satisfied Pocket user before Firefox bundled it, I was quite happy to see the new integration, which works great. So, I am having trouble figuring out what are the events/changes that you are characterizing as "shannagains"?
Mikeb85 5y ago
So there's still Chrome, Brave, Opera, Gnome Web, Falkon, etc...
sirius87 5y ago
I'm happy with Vivadi, even if its "closed source". https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ EDIT: Fixed link
- siproprio 5y ago
  Vivaldi is slow.

JCWasmx86 5y ago

I think Microsoft did a lot more morally and ethically questionable things than Mozilla

AlexandrB 5y ago

I'm trying to put myself in the headspace of thinking Mozilla is more morally bankrupt than Microsoft but I'm really struggling with it. I suppose that some people believe this means Microsoft marketing has done a good job of rehabilitating their image over the last 10 years.

ZanyProgrammer 5y ago
My guess is that there's a fair amount of politics behind such a statement. The kind of politics that has to do with SJWs, Eich, etc rather than any purely technical engineering decisions.
- froggertoaster 5y ago
  You are quite perceptive. Yes, I find the ousting of Eich to be extremely distasteful. I haven't used a Mozilla product since. Can't speak on the SJW thing though, I have no "anti-SJW" feelings in general, esp. as it relates to Mozilla.
colesantiago 5y ago
Mozilla is more morally bankrupt after taking Google money and letting the rise of Chrome going unchecked.
- jfk13 5y ago
  Do you know some magic formula that would have enabled Mozilla to halt Chrome's "unchecked rise", given the behemoth that was pushing it? Despite having only a fraction of Google's resources, Mozilla continues to develop a competitive browser that provides a realistic alternative to Chrome. But it has never had access to the sort of channels and budget that Google used to promote its browser. (Of course Mozilla has made its share of mistakes. That's an inevitable part of attempting to do anything in this world. But "morally bankrupt" is not a description I recognise.)

shmde 5y ago

You can switch over to Waterfox.

IceWreck 5y ago

Mozilla is no saint especially with their Pocket, Cliqz shennanigans but theyre miles better than MS.

kreeben 5y ago
Cliqz, the search engine that went broke early in the pandemic? Tell me more bout the shennanigans, please.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago
  >On 6 October 2017, Mozilla announced a test where approximately 1% of users downloading Firefox in Germany would receive a version with Cliqz software included. The feature provided recommendations directly in the browser's search field. Recommendations included news, weather, sports, and other websites and were based on the user's browsing history and activities. The press release noted that "Users who receive a version of Firefox with Cliqz will have their browsing activity sent to Cliqz servers, including the URLs of pages they visit," and that "Cliqz uses several techniques to attempt to remove sensitive information from this browsing data before it is sent from Firefox." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    True that was bad. But it's nowhere near as bad as this step from Microsoft.
- Closi 5y ago
  Well the shenanigans was that it meant that users Firefox with Cliqz pre-installed had all their browsing activity sent to Cliqz servers.
toss1 5y ago
Having been a very satisfied Pocket user before Firefox bundled it, I was quite happy to see the new integration, which works great. So, I am having trouble figuring out what are the events/changes that you are characterizing as "shannagains"?

Mikeb85 5y ago

So there's still Chrome, Brave, Opera, Gnome Web, Falkon, etc...

sirius87 5y ago

I'm happy with Vivadi, even if its "closed source". https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ EDIT: Fixed link

siproprio 5y ago
Vivaldi is slow.