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Really hard to believe that a CEO of a company with the motto "don't be evil" could write a book with Kissinger. It's unsurprising that the book's main push see

Really hard to believe that a CEO of a company with the motto "don't be evil" could write a book with Kissinger. It's unsurprising that the book's main push seems to be for more AI war research as a method of saving lives.

bob331 5y ago
Kissinger is evil and schmidt has committed much evil. They are well suited
- HenryKissinger 5y ago
  What evil did I commit?
  - dang 5y ago
    I've let this account for probably longer than we should've, but trollish usernames are not allowed on HN (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20trollish%20username https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...) and you clearly crossed the line here. I've banned the account. In principle we'd be happy to rename it for you, but you've also been posting a lot of comments that go against the site guidelines, so we'd need some reason to believe that the account would also behave differently under a different name.
    - DonHopkins 5y ago
      Says they guy whose username is an Eek-A-Mouse lyric about Ganja Smuggling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b21zIF3lAZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b21zIF3lAZo https://www.google.com/search?q=Eek+A+Mouse+lyrics https://www.google.com/search?q=Eek+A+Mouse+lyrics [...] Me an me girl name Jane Dang dang Didi bong gong Gidi bong gong Gidi men Bena bena bohoi Spen dem dem Gena men Bong gong Gidi bong gong Gidi bong gong Gidi ben Bena bena bohoi Gen gen Gena men-den Down dere in the ghetto I go, where tribulation I once know Mummy an daddy, all a' we so poor, We all had to sleep on the floor Storm it come and it blow down me door, Me ha fi nail up me window Me shoes tear up, me toe just a show, Me nuh know a where fi really wan' go Mama tell me "nah rob drug store, Police beat yuh, mek yu back sore" Dang dang Didi dang dang Gidi bang gang Gidi men Bena bohoi Bene bi deberen ehya
pbaka 5y ago
The past : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Ullman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Ullman https://personal.utdallas.edu/~bxt043000/Motivational-Articles/Big_Data-Have_we_seen_it_before.pdf https://personal.utdallas.edu/~bxt043000/Motivational-Articl... https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci... https://web.archive.org/web/20030801175255/http://www.keyhole.com/press_releases/20030625.html https://web.archive.org/web/20030801175255/http://www.keyhol... A summary of the above : http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/09/google-a-darpa-enterprise-run-by-the-central-intelligence-agency/ http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/09/google-a-darpa-enterp... Today : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-innovation-idUSKCN0W421V https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-innovation-i... "Don't be evil" was just a reminder placed above the revolving door located between the military-industrial complex and Google, not a public-facing branding exercise.
dougabug 5y ago
Weaponizing AI on the face of it seems completely insane. The problem is that if we don’t, then we would presumably be at a tremendous strategic disadvantage to an adversary which did (more or less the logic that led to the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons). I can’t see how militarized forms of AI don’t emerge as a consequence of significant progress in non-military AI, so perhaps all roads do eventually lead to SkyNet.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  >more or less the logic that led to the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons Sure. One country threw a ton of resources into a program, and as a result the technology spread to numerous other countries leading to something like seven countries capable of destroying the world. Maybe the end result is inevitable. Racing towards it so we can kill others before they can kill us isn't smart.
  - dougabug 5y ago
    Obviously, it’s a terrible idea! Unfortunately, every nation or deeply resourced actor exercising complete restraint forever is probably not a Nash Equillibrium.
- randcraw 5y ago
  Great. Another reference to Skynet as the inevitable outcome of advancing automation. Despite all the facts to the contrary. Will technology, including AI, inevitability be used to improve weaponry? Yes. Will AI inevitably lead to Skynet and Terminator robots? Hardly. Today we can't build a self-driving car with more than level 2 autonomy, nor do honest experts believe one will happen soon. Today's autonomous mobile robots are incapable of even the most rudimentary human motions, and likewise, human-level robots are invisible on any 50 year time horizon, commercially or militarily. No AI-based tech has shown even the faintest sign of the level of AGI capabilities needed to control a robot army. Nor has any AI shown the potential for an emergent executive function or a desire to KILL ALL HUMANS. To assume that present-day AI will likely self-assemble into a rebel robot army intent on destroying humanity… Why does anybody take this crap seriously? Or soberly reference it while hoping to be taken seriously? It's time for all adults everywhere to stop imagining that pop scifi movies are a sensible foundation toward discussing how new tech can best serve its intended purpose. Scifi is meant to entertain, not inform. Given what we know today about AI, Skynet doesn't have a hope in hell in happening — not in terms of platform mobility nor in terms of cognition nor in terms of self-assembly. So PLEASE give all references to Skynet a rest.
1cvmask 5y ago
Erik Schmidt and Sergey Brin are all part of the surveillance state and war machine. They will soon be awarded Nobel Prizes like the war criminal Henry Kissinger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/emails-give-glimpse-of-googles-work-with-nsa-on-cybersecurity/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/emails-give-... http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-google.html http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-goo...
- darksaints 5y ago
  The book was pretty thorough, but not thorough enough. It failed to cover how much he intervened in US politics to cover for, enable, and protect a military dictatorship that was carrying out a massive political cleansing in Argentina, in which over 30,000 people were "disappeared". He's about as evil as they come.
freeflight 5y ago
Not really that hard to believe, considering where the "don't be evil" company got part of its initial funding from [0] and what these funding outfits have been up to themselves since then [1]. [0] https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci... [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/the-n...
almeria 5y ago
Did we ever have any reason to believe that slogan?

bob331 5y ago

Kissinger is evil and schmidt has committed much evil. They are well suited

HenryKissinger 5y ago
What evil did I commit?
- dang 5y ago
  I've let this account for probably longer than we should've, but trollish usernames are not allowed on HN (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20trollish%20username https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...) and you clearly crossed the line here. I've banned the account. In principle we'd be happy to rename it for you, but you've also been posting a lot of comments that go against the site guidelines, so we'd need some reason to believe that the account would also behave differently under a different name.
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    Says they guy whose username is an Eek-A-Mouse lyric about Ganja Smuggling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b21zIF3lAZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b21zIF3lAZo https://www.google.com/search?q=Eek+A+Mouse+lyrics https://www.google.com/search?q=Eek+A+Mouse+lyrics [...] Me an me girl name Jane Dang dang Didi bong gong Gidi bong gong Gidi men Bena bena bohoi Spen dem dem Gena men Bong gong Gidi bong gong Gidi bong gong Gidi ben Bena bena bohoi Gen gen Gena men-den Down dere in the ghetto I go, where tribulation I once know Mummy an daddy, all a' we so poor, We all had to sleep on the floor Storm it come and it blow down me door, Me ha fi nail up me window Me shoes tear up, me toe just a show, Me nuh know a where fi really wan' go Mama tell me "nah rob drug store, Police beat yuh, mek yu back sore" Dang dang Didi dang dang Gidi bang gang Gidi men Bena bohoi Bene bi deberen ehya

pbaka 5y ago

The past : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Ullman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Ullman https://personal.utdallas.edu/~bxt043000/Motivational-Articles/Big_Data-Have_we_seen_it_before.pdf https://personal.utdallas.edu/~bxt043000/Motivational-Articl... https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci... https://web.archive.org/web/20030801175255/http://www.keyhole.com/press_releases/20030625.html https://web.archive.org/web/20030801175255/http://www.keyhol... A summary of the above : http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/09/google-a-darpa-enterprise-run-by-the-central-intelligence-agency/ http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/09/google-a-darpa-enterp... Today : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-innovation-idUSKCN0W421V https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-innovation-i... "Don't be evil" was just a reminder placed above the revolving door located between the military-industrial complex and Google, not a public-facing branding exercise.

dougabug 5y ago

Weaponizing AI on the face of it seems completely insane. The problem is that if we don’t, then we would presumably be at a tremendous strategic disadvantage to an adversary which did (more or less the logic that led to the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons). I can’t see how militarized forms of AI don’t emerge as a consequence of significant progress in non-military AI, so perhaps all roads do eventually lead to SkyNet.

boomboomsubban 5y ago
>more or less the logic that led to the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons Sure. One country threw a ton of resources into a program, and as a result the technology spread to numerous other countries leading to something like seven countries capable of destroying the world. Maybe the end result is inevitable. Racing towards it so we can kill others before they can kill us isn't smart.
- dougabug 5y ago
  Obviously, it’s a terrible idea! Unfortunately, every nation or deeply resourced actor exercising complete restraint forever is probably not a Nash Equillibrium.
randcraw 5y ago
Great. Another reference to Skynet as the inevitable outcome of advancing automation. Despite all the facts to the contrary. Will technology, including AI, inevitability be used to improve weaponry? Yes. Will AI inevitably lead to Skynet and Terminator robots? Hardly. Today we can't build a self-driving car with more than level 2 autonomy, nor do honest experts believe one will happen soon. Today's autonomous mobile robots are incapable of even the most rudimentary human motions, and likewise, human-level robots are invisible on any 50 year time horizon, commercially or militarily. No AI-based tech has shown even the faintest sign of the level of AGI capabilities needed to control a robot army. Nor has any AI shown the potential for an emergent executive function or a desire to KILL ALL HUMANS. To assume that present-day AI will likely self-assemble into a rebel robot army intent on destroying humanity… Why does anybody take this crap seriously? Or soberly reference it while hoping to be taken seriously? It's time for all adults everywhere to stop imagining that pop scifi movies are a sensible foundation toward discussing how new tech can best serve its intended purpose. Scifi is meant to entertain, not inform. Given what we know today about AI, Skynet doesn't have a hope in hell in happening — not in terms of platform mobility nor in terms of cognition nor in terms of self-assembly. So PLEASE give all references to Skynet a rest.

1cvmask 5y ago

Erik Schmidt and Sergey Brin are all part of the surveillance state and war machine. They will soon be awarded Nobel Prizes like the war criminal Henry Kissinger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/emails-give-glimpse-of-googles-work-with-nsa-on-cybersecurity/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/emails-give-... http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-google.html http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-goo...

darksaints 5y ago
The book was pretty thorough, but not thorough enough. It failed to cover how much he intervened in US politics to cover for, enable, and protect a military dictatorship that was carrying out a massive political cleansing in Argentina, in which over 30,000 people were "disappeared". He's about as evil as they come.

freeflight 5y ago

Not really that hard to believe, considering where the "don't be evil" company got part of its initial funding from [0] and what these funding outfits have been up to themselves since then [1]. [0] https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci... [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/the-n...

almeria 5y ago

Did we ever have any reason to believe that slogan?