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what part of this is fixed by getting rid of the SATs, exactly? do all the other problems that are making it hard to get on top of school suddenly disappear? do

what part of this is fixed by getting rid of the SATs, exactly? do all the other problems that are making it hard to get on top of school suddenly disappear? do they magically disappear in college? how is it even beneficial to remove one possible avenue for demonstrating aptitude beyond the ability to succeed in a classroom environment, which is profoundly tilted toward rich families who can help kids with homework, bitch at teachers about bad grades, etc.?

abhiyerra 5y ago
Strength leads to strength. If you can get to a place of prestige and that place continues to have high standards, then the people who are bound for the streets or no purpose have a means to a higher goal. Maybe I believe that if you give people a little bit of chance, they end up better?
- keeganpoppen 5y ago
  ah, so you just find a way to continue to have high standards while continuously lowering the standard for admission but that's not even the point... the post was about how students who don't care about school will somehow be better served by getting into a good school anyway. sure, some people will have an "oh shit i cant screw this up" moment, but... many will just fail. right? and in the meantime, the student who didn't get the chance to pursue their dreams... does what? it is unfortunately a pretty zero sum game. i wish it weren't. i think it'd be great for universities to figure out how to scale up much bigger than they are currently for exactly this reason.
  - abhiyerra 5y ago
    I don't think you have to worry here. The people who take the SAT are a minority. We need to stop thinking everyone takes the SAT. It is not valid. This policy benefits the people who take the SAT, which is likely a minority of students.
    - zzt123 5y ago
      Hardly a minority of students. The year before the pandemic, 77% of college applicants took the SAT or ACT. That was 2019-20, after colleges had starting going whatever you want to call not requiring standardized tests. https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2021/09/13/study-reveals-which-applicants-didnt-submit-test-scores https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2021/09/13...

abhiyerra 5y ago

Strength leads to strength. If you can get to a place of prestige and that place continues to have high standards, then the people who are bound for the streets or no purpose have a means to a higher goal. Maybe I believe that if you give people a little bit of chance, they end up better?

keeganpoppen 5y ago
ah, so you just find a way to continue to have high standards while continuously lowering the standard for admission but that's not even the point... the post was about how students who don't care about school will somehow be better served by getting into a good school anyway. sure, some people will have an "oh shit i cant screw this up" moment, but... many will just fail. right? and in the meantime, the student who didn't get the chance to pursue their dreams... does what? it is unfortunately a pretty zero sum game. i wish it weren't. i think it'd be great for universities to figure out how to scale up much bigger than they are currently for exactly this reason.
- abhiyerra 5y ago
  I don't think you have to worry here. The people who take the SAT are a minority. We need to stop thinking everyone takes the SAT. It is not valid. This policy benefits the people who take the SAT, which is likely a minority of students.
  - zzt123 5y ago
    Hardly a minority of students. The year before the pandemic, 77% of college applicants took the SAT or ACT. That was 2019-20, after colleges had starting going whatever you want to call not requiring standardized tests. https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2021/09/13/study-reveals-which-applicants-didnt-submit-test-scores https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2021/09/13...