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What kind of sick mind will want a giant borg cube with 3 billion humans miserable at being overpowered by the other 4 billion? Even in US, half of population i

What kind of sick mind will want a giant borg cube with 3 billion humans miserable at being overpowered by the other 4 billion? Even in US, half of population is perpetually angry and miserable because the other half gained power. How fun is it going to be for US and China to vote on each other's culture? We should go in the opposite direction of allowing California and Texas to be more like Netherlands and Poland, able to run their own affairs while central body gets involved only when absolutely necessary, say for trade and common defense. Then let people move and self sort based on how they want to live.

DeathArrow 5y ago
>What kind of sick mind will want a giant borg cube with 3 billion humans miserable at being overpowered by the other 4 billion? They don't call themselves sick. They call themselves globalists, progressives. In their generosity they want to impose others by force their own ideas, convinced that they know what is best for each of the World's 7 billion individuals.
- antifa 5y ago
  > They call themselves globalists Who calls themselves globalists?
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  That is not what globalists or progressives are fighting for at all. Even being as critical as one can be about progressives, they are quick to preference the (perceived) rights of the minority over the will of the majority.
s5300 5y ago
With regards to your examples, there is a much simpler solution. Build a wall around Texas, and give it back to Mexico. I must say, it is slightly cruel though. I like Mexico, they don’t deserve to be tied into Texas. However, I see it as a necessary evil.
asmoolw 5y ago
The problem is that more authoritarian governments don't take kindly to freedom-of-movement, and even if they did, "leaving your country" really means "and your job and family and social life and legal system and culture and language and..." so there's lots of sources of unavoidable friction that get in the way of a "free market of governance". Case in point - we have "red states" and "blue states" with pretty substantial difference in policy, from taxes to abortion rights, but national red/blue party votes seem to indicate they're only split 60:40 or so in terms of their population, if that. Even though "immigration" across US state lines is as low friction as you can hope for.
Joeri 5y ago
Isn’t this how the U.S. federal government was originally intended, regulating only interstate commerce? The EU also started out as just a trade block, regulating trade between member states. The problem with only regulating trade is that most of what a government does ties back into trade. Any form of subsidies or tax benefits creates an unfair advantage to one country’s businesses, so any attempt at regulating trade will find itself regulating taxation and subsidy regimes. Any mismatch between product standards will make it difficult to trade, so inevitably you will see environmental and product safety regulation creep in. Devaluing a coin can benefit one country over another, so it becomes necessary to have a common monetary policy (see: the euro). Everything that the EU does, and it does a lot of things, has derived in some way of the attempt to regulate trade. Add a sincere attempt to ensure human rights into the mix, and a global government will inevitably find itself regulating everything.
- Jensson 5y ago
  The main difference is that EU allows countries to leave the union, US doesn't. If EU starts to become corrupt and expand its influence like USA did over their states then countries will just leave.
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    This is true for now, though often they might be so coupled the breakup will take decades to be worth it. But for a long time the EU was moving towards ever closer integration. Its important thay changes.
    - DeathArrow 5y ago
      >But for a long time the EU was moving towards ever closer integration. Some time ago people have more faith in the EU. But since EU derailed, beaurocrats and politicians started pushing EU towards a progressive and leftist dystopia. And people don't like that. They have their history, their culture, their way of life, their customs and they want to live how they used to, without being told by the others how to live their lives. No one apart from the far left wants Europe to become a melting pot in which nations, ethnicities, languages, customs, cultures dissappear.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Even in US, half of population is perpetually angry and miserable because the other half gained power The US has either the worst government, or very nearly so, of all established democracies on measures of effective representation, popular satiafaction with government, etc. “Even in the US” is, thus, a weird lead in here since it suggests that the US is the best of the best but even it still has the problem described, when it is very much not the best of the best, and there is plenty of research establishing the particular structural choices that cause that.

DeathArrow 5y ago

>What kind of sick mind will want a giant borg cube with 3 billion humans miserable at being overpowered by the other 4 billion? They don't call themselves sick. They call themselves globalists, progressives. In their generosity they want to impose others by force their own ideas, convinced that they know what is best for each of the World's 7 billion individuals.

antifa 5y ago
> They call themselves globalists Who calls themselves globalists?
AussieWog93 5y ago
That is not what globalists or progressives are fighting for at all. Even being as critical as one can be about progressives, they are quick to preference the (perceived) rights of the minority over the will of the majority.

s5300 5y ago

With regards to your examples, there is a much simpler solution. Build a wall around Texas, and give it back to Mexico. I must say, it is slightly cruel though. I like Mexico, they don’t deserve to be tied into Texas. However, I see it as a necessary evil.

asmoolw 5y ago

The problem is that more authoritarian governments don't take kindly to freedom-of-movement, and even if they did, "leaving your country" really means "and your job and family and social life and legal system and culture and language and..." so there's lots of sources of unavoidable friction that get in the way of a "free market of governance". Case in point - we have "red states" and "blue states" with pretty substantial difference in policy, from taxes to abortion rights, but national red/blue party votes seem to indicate they're only split 60:40 or so in terms of their population, if that. Even though "immigration" across US state lines is as low friction as you can hope for.

Joeri 5y ago

Isn’t this how the U.S. federal government was originally intended, regulating only interstate commerce? The EU also started out as just a trade block, regulating trade between member states. The problem with only regulating trade is that most of what a government does ties back into trade. Any form of subsidies or tax benefits creates an unfair advantage to one country’s businesses, so any attempt at regulating trade will find itself regulating taxation and subsidy regimes. Any mismatch between product standards will make it difficult to trade, so inevitably you will see environmental and product safety regulation creep in. Devaluing a coin can benefit one country over another, so it becomes necessary to have a common monetary policy (see: the euro). Everything that the EU does, and it does a lot of things, has derived in some way of the attempt to regulate trade. Add a sincere attempt to ensure human rights into the mix, and a global government will inevitably find itself regulating everything.

Jensson 5y ago
The main difference is that EU allows countries to leave the union, US doesn't. If EU starts to become corrupt and expand its influence like USA did over their states then countries will just leave.
- akvadrako 5y ago
  This is true for now, though often they might be so coupled the breakup will take decades to be worth it. But for a long time the EU was moving towards ever closer integration. Its important thay changes.
  - DeathArrow 5y ago
    >But for a long time the EU was moving towards ever closer integration. Some time ago people have more faith in the EU. But since EU derailed, beaurocrats and politicians started pushing EU towards a progressive and leftist dystopia. And people don't like that. They have their history, their culture, their way of life, their customs and they want to live how they used to, without being told by the others how to live their lives. No one apart from the far left wants Europe to become a melting pot in which nations, ethnicities, languages, customs, cultures dissappear.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Even in US, half of population is perpetually angry and miserable because the other half gained power The US has either the worst government, or very nearly so, of all established democracies on measures of effective representation, popular satiafaction with government, etc. “Even in the US” is, thus, a weird lead in here since it suggests that the US is the best of the best but even it still has the problem described, when it is very much not the best of the best, and there is plenty of research establishing the particular structural choices that cause that.