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As a Cal grad this is an easy reason to point to the next time I reject an alumni donation call. If the goal is to accept more students on merit, this is a big

As a Cal grad this is an easy reason to point to the next time I reject an alumni donation call. If the goal is to accept more students on merit, this is a big failure in my opinion: rich kids can just game the “holistic” admissions with opportunities not available to middle/lower class students (“volunteer” trips, extracurriculars, etc.).

spoonjim 5y ago
Can they “game” themselves into being designated as African American?
- Iefthandrule 5y ago
  Aka "Does anyone else think black people have it too easy and are the real racists?" Refreshingly honest, I suppose.
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal And more do Native American. That's an easier one to check on the checkboxes for whites. That's why there has been an exponential increase of the self-identified "Native American" population since the 1960s. Elizabeth Warren is one of the more famous self-identified Native Americans (her siblings never knew they were). In the last census their increase has been the most in the richest counties in the US with the most number of applications to elite colleges.
  - Erik816 5y ago
    To be fair to her siblings, they didn't know they were Native American because they were not in fact Native American.
  - protomyth 5y ago
    That's why they should have to list tribe enrolled & blood quantum. At this point, I wish the tribes could sue these people for fraud. The continued closing of doors on the most downtrodden minority is pathetic.
    - Auracle 5y ago
      I'm 1/8th. Is that enough? 1/4th? Where's the line? My state gave out grants to small businesses during the pandemic and directly said on the application that preference would be given to minorities. I didn't check both white and native only because a local organization would be dispersing the funds and I live in a rural area. Quite frankly, I'm sick of "reverse" racism. That was my state government all but telling me that my small business didn't deserve funds because I'm (mostly) white.
      - spoonjim 5y ago
        > I didn't check both white and native only because a local organization would be dispersing the funds and I live in a rural area. I don’t see the logic. Are you saying that you’d become persona non grata in a small community for claiming these funds?
        Auracle 5y ago
        That was the fear. It didn’t seem worth the risk in today’s climate. I try to keep my business non-political.
      - protomyth 5y ago
        Well, the US government has 1/4 but some tribes go down to 1/8. If the position / scholarship says decent the tribes have that documentation too. You can get a document that says you are not enrolled but are a descendent of the tribe. If you are talking about the COVID funding, I think some documentation from the tribe that you are 1/8 in would suffice. Also check the tribal constitution and minority business rules of your state. I'm not going to comment on reverse racism, but if a position or grant was set aside for a Native American then claiming heritage one does not have is bs.
        spoonjim 5y ago
        Well the blood thing is just a complete nonsense way of assessing oppression/opportunities. Someone who is the child of a full blood Native American who was working as a bartender when she met a white corporate lawyer that she later married and moved to Bethesda lives a completely different life to a child growing up on the reservation. That’s why you’ll find that income-based affirmative action has vastly more support than race. I personally would have no problems with my kid losing a spot in something to a kid who got similar scores to him with a tenth of the family income, because I know that the latter is a strictly tougher thing to do.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  California public universities are not allowed to look at race in admissions, so gaming racial designation wouldn't help.
  - 0des 5y ago
    Sometimes names, surnames and neighborhood are sufficient in some cases, I'd imagine.
    - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
      Or 90th percentile on standardized tests. Can't have them entering on aptitude alone.
      - 0des 5y ago
        I wanted to acknowledge you but I'm not sure I understand this reply, perhaps I can revisit it later and give you a better formed response.
- kwere 5y ago
  just get an african citizenship and maybe get adopted/marry a non white household to melt commision hearts!

spoonjim 5y ago

Can they “game” themselves into being designated as African American?

Iefthandrule 5y ago
Aka "Does anyone else think black people have it too easy and are the real racists?" Refreshingly honest, I suppose.
1cvmask 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal And more do Native American. That's an easier one to check on the checkboxes for whites. That's why there has been an exponential increase of the self-identified "Native American" population since the 1960s. Elizabeth Warren is one of the more famous self-identified Native Americans (her siblings never knew they were). In the last census their increase has been the most in the richest counties in the US with the most number of applications to elite colleges.
- Erik816 5y ago
  To be fair to her siblings, they didn't know they were Native American because they were not in fact Native American.
- protomyth 5y ago
  That's why they should have to list tribe enrolled & blood quantum. At this point, I wish the tribes could sue these people for fraud. The continued closing of doors on the most downtrodden minority is pathetic.
  - Auracle 5y ago
    I'm 1/8th. Is that enough? 1/4th? Where's the line? My state gave out grants to small businesses during the pandemic and directly said on the application that preference would be given to minorities. I didn't check both white and native only because a local organization would be dispersing the funds and I live in a rural area. Quite frankly, I'm sick of "reverse" racism. That was my state government all but telling me that my small business didn't deserve funds because I'm (mostly) white.
    - spoonjim 5y ago
      > I didn't check both white and native only because a local organization would be dispersing the funds and I live in a rural area. I don’t see the logic. Are you saying that you’d become persona non grata in a small community for claiming these funds?
      - Auracle 5y ago
        That was the fear. It didn’t seem worth the risk in today’s climate. I try to keep my business non-political.
    - protomyth 5y ago
      Well, the US government has 1/4 but some tribes go down to 1/8. If the position / scholarship says decent the tribes have that documentation too. You can get a document that says you are not enrolled but are a descendent of the tribe. If you are talking about the COVID funding, I think some documentation from the tribe that you are 1/8 in would suffice. Also check the tribal constitution and minority business rules of your state. I'm not going to comment on reverse racism, but if a position or grant was set aside for a Native American then claiming heritage one does not have is bs.
      - spoonjim 5y ago
        Well the blood thing is just a complete nonsense way of assessing oppression/opportunities. Someone who is the child of a full blood Native American who was working as a bartender when she met a white corporate lawyer that she later married and moved to Bethesda lives a completely different life to a child growing up on the reservation. That’s why you’ll find that income-based affirmative action has vastly more support than race. I personally would have no problems with my kid losing a spot in something to a kid who got similar scores to him with a tenth of the family income, because I know that the latter is a strictly tougher thing to do.
lern_too_spel 5y ago
California public universities are not allowed to look at race in admissions, so gaming racial designation wouldn't help.
- 0des 5y ago
  Sometimes names, surnames and neighborhood are sufficient in some cases, I'd imagine.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    Or 90th percentile on standardized tests. Can't have them entering on aptitude alone.
    - 0des 5y ago
      I wanted to acknowledge you but I'm not sure I understand this reply, perhaps I can revisit it later and give you a better formed response.
kwere 5y ago
just get an african citizenship and maybe get adopted/marry a non white household to melt commision hearts!