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Its sad that 1) so many people just throw trash on the steet, 2) there is no law enforcement preventing this behavior, 3) the city isnt paying any people (in my

by jijji 5y ago

Its sad that 1) so many people just throw trash on the steet, 2) there is no law enforcement preventing this behavior, 3) the city isnt paying any people (in my area the prisoners do it from the jail) and then 4) that it has come down to the residents to come up with their own pool of money to pay for this... every week you read stories of the human feces on sidewalks, public urination, needles left on sidewalks, public drug use, all this is without law enforcement action to stop it. Its up to the leadership of elected officials to allocate money and make decisions to stop this type of behavior, but from most of what I have read about the subject it seems that the elected officials want to condone and even encourage this type of plague going on in san francisco. Its up to the voters to vote for the right people to make these changes, but I would never want to live like that or in that type of environment personally. I think thats why you see an exodus of families leaving san francisco. (I lived/worked there for a year)

qweqwweqwe-90i 5y ago
This is a also a city with a multibillion dollar budget and some of the highest in the country.
- jijji 5y ago
  I'll be honest in my area I'm out in a suburban part a Florida about 50 miles outside of Tampa and people who are not from the area who are caught doing drugs and homeless people and all this kind of stuff what happens is the cops they tell them I don't want to see you in this county anymore and then what they do is they bring them to a road called county line road and then they drop them off there and if they come back they get arrested... so you just don't see homeless people and all that kind of stuff out where I live because I'm being serious that's how the cops are out here
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > people who are not from the area who are caught doing drugs and homeless people and all this kind of stuff what happens is the cops they tell them I don't want to see you in this county anymore and then what they do is they bring them to a road called county line road and then they drop them off there and if they come back they get arrested... so you just don't see homeless people and all that kind of stuff out where I live because I'm being serious that's how the cops are out here This is pretty well-known in a lot of places. Around major cities, the police will send the persons into the city. Then the suburban people say there must be something wrong with the city, with all these problems. Personally, I'd rather be the community that takes care of the people that need it. > doing drugs and homeless people I don't equate the two. Even doing drugs is just a vice and now frequently legalized, and I'm sure the locals do plenty (without needing to know the locality). But to the extent that the drugs are illegal, being homeless certainly is not. There is nothing wrong with it or illegal about it. Some homeless people do bad things, and so do some people of every other group, including HN readers, rural locals, and wealthy people in big houses (and measured by total cost to society, there's no doubt which group does more).
    - jijji 5y ago
      > I don't equate the two In response to this, I'd say that I do equate the two. a lot of people think that you can help homeless people. but for most homeless people being homeless is a symptom of a greater problem. the problem is usually drugs. and I'm sure that's not true for all 100% of the cases but I'd be willing to bet that it's true for about 80 to 90% of the cases. you can give a homeless person a million dollars, and a large percentage of those people will use that money to squander it on things like drugs and other things that degrade their behavior and not improve it so that's the only reason I'd say I equate the two. drug abuse is a direct affect of what causes someone to become homeless. homelessness like I said for most situations is a direct result of being a drug addict and having mental illness caused by drug abuse, specifically crystal methamphetamine. I have hundreds of rentals and I see this everyday, and I'd say it's getting worse because 20 years ago there was not as many mentally ill people caused by drug abuse as there is today and specifically crystal methamphetamine. crystal methamphetamine the way that it's produced the last 15 years it produces permanent psychosis and brain damage it literally turns your brain into Swiss cheese so to say that drug abuse isn't related to homelessness means that you're just not looking into the correlation as much as you should be and it might be just because of a lack of experience.
wolverine876 5y ago
> in my area the prisoners do it from the jail From a relatively well-known perspective, that is essentially slave labor. The argument is this: The Constitution's 13th Amendment, which banned slavery, made an exception for prisoners. The obvious path, which many believe was taken, was to arrest many of the same people who were enslaved and use them as slave labor. And after segregation was ended in the 1960s, the US government's 'war on drugs' began the era of mass incarceration, which resulted in the former victims of segregation going to jail in large numbers. There are arguments for doing it too, and picking up trash isn't hard labor. However, we need to think about who ends up picking up trash for a minor infraction, and who gets a warning and is sent home (I now nothing about your county in particular).

by jijji 5y ago

qweqwweqwe-90i 5y ago

This is a also a city with a multibillion dollar budget and some of the highest in the country.

jijji 5y ago
I'll be honest in my area I'm out in a suburban part a Florida about 50 miles outside of Tampa and people who are not from the area who are caught doing drugs and homeless people and all this kind of stuff what happens is the cops they tell them I don't want to see you in this county anymore and then what they do is they bring them to a road called county line road and then they drop them off there and if they come back they get arrested... so you just don't see homeless people and all that kind of stuff out where I live because I'm being serious that's how the cops are out here
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > people who are not from the area who are caught doing drugs and homeless people and all this kind of stuff what happens is the cops they tell them I don't want to see you in this county anymore and then what they do is they bring them to a road called county line road and then they drop them off there and if they come back they get arrested... so you just don't see homeless people and all that kind of stuff out where I live because I'm being serious that's how the cops are out here This is pretty well-known in a lot of places. Around major cities, the police will send the persons into the city. Then the suburban people say there must be something wrong with the city, with all these problems. Personally, I'd rather be the community that takes care of the people that need it. > doing drugs and homeless people I don't equate the two. Even doing drugs is just a vice and now frequently legalized, and I'm sure the locals do plenty (without needing to know the locality). But to the extent that the drugs are illegal, being homeless certainly is not. There is nothing wrong with it or illegal about it. Some homeless people do bad things, and so do some people of every other group, including HN readers, rural locals, and wealthy people in big houses (and measured by total cost to society, there's no doubt which group does more).
  - jijji 5y ago
    > I don't equate the two In response to this, I'd say that I do equate the two. a lot of people think that you can help homeless people. but for most homeless people being homeless is a symptom of a greater problem. the problem is usually drugs. and I'm sure that's not true for all 100% of the cases but I'd be willing to bet that it's true for about 80 to 90% of the cases. you can give a homeless person a million dollars, and a large percentage of those people will use that money to squander it on things like drugs and other things that degrade their behavior and not improve it so that's the only reason I'd say I equate the two. drug abuse is a direct affect of what causes someone to become homeless. homelessness like I said for most situations is a direct result of being a drug addict and having mental illness caused by drug abuse, specifically crystal methamphetamine. I have hundreds of rentals and I see this everyday, and I'd say it's getting worse because 20 years ago there was not as many mentally ill people caused by drug abuse as there is today and specifically crystal methamphetamine. crystal methamphetamine the way that it's produced the last 15 years it produces permanent psychosis and brain damage it literally turns your brain into Swiss cheese so to say that drug abuse isn't related to homelessness means that you're just not looking into the correlation as much as you should be and it might be just because of a lack of experience.

wolverine876 5y ago

> in my area the prisoners do it from the jail From a relatively well-known perspective, that is essentially slave labor. The argument is this: The Constitution's 13th Amendment, which banned slavery, made an exception for prisoners. The obvious path, which many believe was taken, was to arrest many of the same people who were enslaved and use them as slave labor. And after segregation was ended in the 1960s, the US government's 'war on drugs' began the era of mass incarceration, which resulted in the former victims of segregation going to jail in large numbers. There are arguments for doing it too, and picking up trash isn't hard labor. However, we need to think about who ends up picking up trash for a minor infraction, and who gets a warning and is sent home (I now nothing about your county in particular).