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Blue origin was formed 20 years ago. They have never delivered a single orbital class product. There are currently around 5 privately run space companies that

Blue origin was formed 20 years ago. They have never delivered a single orbital class product. There are currently around 5 privately run space companies that have produced orbital class rockets that have flown, or will fly this year (Firefly Space, Spacex, Relativity Space, Virgin Orbit, Rocketlab... and probably others I don't know about). Every one of these companies took about 6 years to develop their rocket from scratch. That thing in the video is essentially just a spaceplane. It has about 1/100th the amount of energy needed to reach orbit. It isn't comparable to any of the companies mentioned above. Blue origin has had billions of dollars pumped into it and has produced nothing.

JoshCole 5y ago
This is likely not going to be popular, because your small errors won't seem worthy of the level of harm I'm going to attribute to them, but I hope you'll take the critique according to the good intent that motivates it and understand that even as I ask this I'm not so much angry with you as disturbed by a tendency I see in online discourse which I feel doesn't get nearly as much push back as it should. A while before I came to this thread I was reading conversations between random people on the internet. These people were talking about murdering Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos because false narratives built on hyperbolic criticisms made it sensible for them to believe that all billionaires investing in space travel are evil. When I say random people, I mean that if the same thing were happening in real life there would be a thousand strong mob all echoing this sentiment. Your words are the fuel of this mob. Your hyperbole is the fire that lights the outrage. Don't you see this? We're not even opponents: > It has about 1/100th the amount of energy needed to reach orbit. I agree with this and did well before I asked my question. > and has produced nothing. This isn't true. It just isn't true. They did produce a rocket. They produced factories and office buildings as well. They produced some things. You seem to believe that if you convince people to take your view for the wrong reasons that you will benefit from it. This isn't the case. If you convince people by prompting them into emotional outrage then what you get is people who can't be reasoned with easily. These angry mobs you are helping to create aren't under your control. You are extremely reckless with your words. I hope the fires you kindle are doused and will continue to assert that they built a rocket even though I know that the rocket isn't particularly good relative to other rockets. There is this horrible thing that happens on the internet. People say untrue things into a crowd of people and you don't see that your words lead to an angry mob forming down the street. It's all invisible. Even when you're part of an angry mob you can't really tell you are. It seems so harmless. Hopefully it remains that way, but we've seen real harm bubble out of the internet and into our national conversation. The root is the rhetoric. So I'm trying to counter the stoking of anger now rather than waiting for it to build up to something more substantial.
- mrjangles 5y ago
  What are you talking about angry mobs? Do you just mean that sad jealous people who say bad things about anyone more successful than them? That isn't a mob, that is humanity since the beginning of time. What I meant to say, and thought was obvious, was that Blue Origin has created nothing of value. Anyway the whole thing is funded with Jeff Bezo's own money so I don't know why anyone would care. It's better than him buying yachts with his money. My only point is the government should not give Blue Origin a cent to do work in space for them, and if the government does, then it is pure corruption, simple as that.

JoshCole 5y ago

This is likely not going to be popular, because your small errors won't seem worthy of the level of harm I'm going to attribute to them, but I hope you'll take the critique according to the good intent that motivates it and understand that even as I ask this I'm not so much angry with you as disturbed by a tendency I see in online discourse which I feel doesn't get nearly as much push back as it should. A while before I came to this thread I was reading conversations between random people on the internet. These people were talking about murdering Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos because false narratives built on hyperbolic criticisms made it sensible for them to believe that all billionaires investing in space travel are evil. When I say random people, I mean that if the same thing were happening in real life there would be a thousand strong mob all echoing this sentiment. Your words are the fuel of this mob. Your hyperbole is the fire that lights the outrage. Don't you see this? We're not even opponents: > It has about 1/100th the amount of energy needed to reach orbit. I agree with this and did well before I asked my question. > and has produced nothing. This isn't true. It just isn't true. They did produce a rocket. They produced factories and office buildings as well. They produced some things. You seem to believe that if you convince people to take your view for the wrong reasons that you will benefit from it. This isn't the case. If you convince people by prompting them into emotional outrage then what you get is people who can't be reasoned with easily. These angry mobs you are helping to create aren't under your control. You are extremely reckless with your words. I hope the fires you kindle are doused and will continue to assert that they built a rocket even though I know that the rocket isn't particularly good relative to other rockets. There is this horrible thing that happens on the internet. People say untrue things into a crowd of people and you don't see that your words lead to an angry mob forming down the street. It's all invisible. Even when you're part of an angry mob you can't really tell you are. It seems so harmless. Hopefully it remains that way, but we've seen real harm bubble out of the internet and into our national conversation. The root is the rhetoric. So I'm trying to counter the stoking of anger now rather than waiting for it to build up to something more substantial.

mrjangles 5y ago
What are you talking about angry mobs? Do you just mean that sad jealous people who say bad things about anyone more successful than them? That isn't a mob, that is humanity since the beginning of time. What I meant to say, and thought was obvious, was that Blue Origin has created nothing of value. Anyway the whole thing is funded with Jeff Bezo's own money so I don't know why anyone would care. It's better than him buying yachts with his money. My only point is the government should not give Blue Origin a cent to do work in space for them, and if the government does, then it is pure corruption, simple as that.