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> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. It saves lives, even if the systems are not 100% ef

by judge2020 5y ago

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. It saves lives, even if the systems are not 100% effective.

kgermino 5y ago
I don't disagree, but it makes the car much more complicated and expensive which are valid negatives. Small cars with low hoods and good visibility don't need those systems nearly as much as large SUV's with dangerous hood designs and poor side/rear visibility. I think we should focus on the total safety of the vehicle instead of pushing everything to be bigger and more expensive which makes car ownership hard for poorer people.
- sovnade 5y ago
  New features always show up in higher end cars first. Economies of scale eventually work out and it trickles down to even the lowest trim. I don't have the numbers but it seems like more cars than not nowadays have things like backup cameras, blind spot indicators, etc - and those basically didn't exist from the factory 15 years ago. edit: talking about non-highline models. hondas, fords, hyundais, dodge, etc.
johnea 5y ago
You know, actually paying attention to driving saves lives too. But apparently that is not an option. Driving is just too big of a distraction from playing with instagram...
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- olyjohn 5y ago
  Instagram is one distraction, so is navigating through a bunch of touch screen menus to turn up the heat or turn down volume.
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- dntrkv 5y ago
  You do realize, you can be distracted unintentionally, right? Child crying in the backseat, car malfunctioning, animal crossing the road, object hitting your windshield, a car accident occurring next to you, being fired from your job and your wife divorcing you when you find out you have cancer, a meteor hitting the earth, a big sneeze, I could keep going.
ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
What a pile. Blind spot detection system malfunction a lot to the point of being useless. Front collision detection is just annoying. I have driven for 40 years and have never rear-ended anyone or run over a pedestrian. These 'safety' 'features' are only useful to terrible drivers. Decent drivers are just annoyed by the car fighting you. I guess they need to have some way to keep adding features so the price points never drop. You are being sold things based on the deliberate cultivation of irrational fears in your own mind (as usual).
- artimaeis 5y ago
  What a pile. Your anecdata are not in and of themselves data. Regardless of your skill, or the skill/expertise/attentiveness of any individual driver, drivers as a collective remain dangerous to themselves and pedestrians. How did I come to this conclusion? I reviewed data, here's a couple of sources: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show-increased-traffic-fatalities-during-pandemic https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show... https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx By all means, if you have data that shows people are inherently becoming better drivers, or that there's a method to improve _all_ drivers systemically -- let's talk about it.
  - ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
    Generally requests in comments to cite sources or provide data are in fact simply disingenuous attempts to confuse the issue. Regardless, your datas mean nothing -- They are only guaranteed to be incorrect for each individual case. You say collectively drivers are dangerous, but the implication is that we would apply the same rule to all in the interest of 'fairness' or some other such subjective nonsense. So it's 'Drag everyone down to the same low level?' Is that the solution? NO. You are allowed to make mistakes in a free country and pay the price. Saying you are not free to hurt others implies you would do so -- even in the face of a lifetime of safe driving and non-criminal behavior. Those bodies compiling the statistic you quote exist for the sole purpose of bureaucratic enrichment through the creation of rules -- whether they are ever really needed is irrelevant to them. I'll end with a quote from a man much wiser than any of us on this board. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. It saves lives, even if the systems are not 100% effective.

kgermino 5y ago

I don't disagree, but it makes the car much more complicated and expensive which are valid negatives. Small cars with low hoods and good visibility don't need those systems nearly as much as large SUV's with dangerous hood designs and poor side/rear visibility. I think we should focus on the total safety of the vehicle instead of pushing everything to be bigger and more expensive which makes car ownership hard for poorer people.

sovnade 5y ago
New features always show up in higher end cars first. Economies of scale eventually work out and it trickles down to even the lowest trim. I don't have the numbers but it seems like more cars than not nowadays have things like backup cameras, blind spot indicators, etc - and those basically didn't exist from the factory 15 years ago. edit: talking about non-highline models. hondas, fords, hyundais, dodge, etc.

johnea 5y ago

You know, actually paying attention to driving saves lives too. But apparently that is not an option. Driving is just too big of a distraction from playing with instagram...

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olyjohn 5y ago
Instagram is one distraction, so is navigating through a bunch of touch screen menus to turn up the heat or turn down volume.
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dntrkv 5y ago
You do realize, you can be distracted unintentionally, right? Child crying in the backseat, car malfunctioning, animal crossing the road, object hitting your windshield, a car accident occurring next to you, being fired from your job and your wife divorcing you when you find out you have cancer, a meteor hitting the earth, a big sneeze, I could keep going.

ospzfmbbzr 5y ago

What a pile. Blind spot detection system malfunction a lot to the point of being useless. Front collision detection is just annoying. I have driven for 40 years and have never rear-ended anyone or run over a pedestrian. These 'safety' 'features' are only useful to terrible drivers. Decent drivers are just annoyed by the car fighting you. I guess they need to have some way to keep adding features so the price points never drop. You are being sold things based on the deliberate cultivation of irrational fears in your own mind (as usual).

artimaeis 5y ago
What a pile. Your anecdata are not in and of themselves data. Regardless of your skill, or the skill/expertise/attentiveness of any individual driver, drivers as a collective remain dangerous to themselves and pedestrians. How did I come to this conclusion? I reviewed data, here's a couple of sources: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show-increased-traffic-fatalities-during-pandemic https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show... https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx By all means, if you have data that shows people are inherently becoming better drivers, or that there's a method to improve _all_ drivers systemically -- let's talk about it.
- ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
  Generally requests in comments to cite sources or provide data are in fact simply disingenuous attempts to confuse the issue. Regardless, your datas mean nothing -- They are only guaranteed to be incorrect for each individual case. You say collectively drivers are dangerous, but the implication is that we would apply the same rule to all in the interest of 'fairness' or some other such subjective nonsense. So it's 'Drag everyone down to the same low level?' Is that the solution? NO. You are allowed to make mistakes in a free country and pay the price. Saying you are not free to hurt others implies you would do so -- even in the face of a lifetime of safe driving and non-criminal behavior. Those bodies compiling the statistic you quote exist for the sole purpose of bureaucratic enrichment through the creation of rules -- whether they are ever really needed is irrelevant to them. I'll end with a quote from a man much wiser than any of us on this board. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)