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Mazda seems to be heading the right direction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20200335

by desktopninja 5y ago

speedgoose 5y ago
They make a very shitty EV though.
- mszcz 5y ago
  Do you mean the range? If that's the case then I agree, I don't know what they were thinking. If not then I guess it's a lot different from the 2019 Mazda 6 I own. It's been great. Not what the parent is looking for probably but it has no gimmicks - I find every convenience usable. The adaptive lights, the active cruise, lane assist, automatic transmission, keyless system, seat memory, HUD, 360 cam. Yes, I know these are kind of basics now but still, I come from Mitsubishi Lancer 2010 land - all the gimmicks that car had was ABS ;) Only knit pick I have is you can't turn off the radio, you can only mute it. Had the same feeling when I bought my first iPod and discovered that sleep was it's natural state... Got used to it somehow ;)
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    The whole electric part is shit. The range is low but it would be manageable if the charging speed wasn't so slow. The consumption is very high, the performances very poor. It's a front wheel drive, a lot of space is not available for storage because of the design. And it's expensive.
    - mszcz 5y ago
      All valid points, thanks for your perspective.
karaterobot 5y ago
The right direction, true. Touch screens are cheaper to design and build for, compared to physical controls, but do they benefit the safety or convenience of the driver? I don't think so. However, apart from the touch screen being optional, I think Mazda has a fairly driver-hostile user experience with their controls. I have a 2020 CX-5, and it's still very opinionated about how I should be driving. For example, it will grumble at you if you touch a white or yellow line, or if it thinks you're too close to the car in front of you and not braking hard enough. I'm generally a fairly safe driver: close to thirty years with a license, all but two years of that being city driving, and never had an accident. You wouldn't know it from the way my car yells at me every time I drive it though. Oh, and it asks me to agree to a legal disclaimer every time I start it up! Love being treated like that.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  You just ignore those disclaimers and they go away. Blame the sue happy society we live in for that… it is pure CYA.
  - karaterobot 5y ago
    Sure, you don't have to press it, but it blocks the UI until it goes away. The worst part of it is that it doesn't matter how many times you say "I agree", it will continue asking you every time you start the car. You're also right that it's pure CYA. However, since you don't actually have to agree with it to use the vehicle, I wonder whether it actually covers anything, or if it's just a meaningless hurdle you have to jump through. In any case, it's not for my benefit as the owner.

Mazda seems to be heading the right direction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20200335

speedgoose 5y ago

They make a very shitty EV though.

mszcz 5y ago
Do you mean the range? If that's the case then I agree, I don't know what they were thinking. If not then I guess it's a lot different from the 2019 Mazda 6 I own. It's been great. Not what the parent is looking for probably but it has no gimmicks - I find every convenience usable. The adaptive lights, the active cruise, lane assist, automatic transmission, keyless system, seat memory, HUD, 360 cam. Yes, I know these are kind of basics now but still, I come from Mitsubishi Lancer 2010 land - all the gimmicks that car had was ABS ;) Only knit pick I have is you can't turn off the radio, you can only mute it. Had the same feeling when I bought my first iPod and discovered that sleep was it's natural state... Got used to it somehow ;)
- speedgoose 5y ago
  The whole electric part is shit. The range is low but it would be manageable if the charging speed wasn't so slow. The consumption is very high, the performances very poor. It's a front wheel drive, a lot of space is not available for storage because of the design. And it's expensive.
  - mszcz 5y ago
    All valid points, thanks for your perspective.

karaterobot 5y ago

The right direction, true. Touch screens are cheaper to design and build for, compared to physical controls, but do they benefit the safety or convenience of the driver? I don't think so. However, apart from the touch screen being optional, I think Mazda has a fairly driver-hostile user experience with their controls. I have a 2020 CX-5, and it's still very opinionated about how I should be driving. For example, it will grumble at you if you touch a white or yellow line, or if it thinks you're too close to the car in front of you and not braking hard enough. I'm generally a fairly safe driver: close to thirty years with a license, all but two years of that being city driving, and never had an accident. You wouldn't know it from the way my car yells at me every time I drive it though. Oh, and it asks me to agree to a legal disclaimer every time I start it up! Love being treated like that.

spookthesunset 5y ago
You just ignore those disclaimers and they go away. Blame the sue happy society we live in for that… it is pure CYA.
- karaterobot 5y ago
  Sure, you don't have to press it, but it blocks the UI until it goes away. The worst part of it is that it doesn't matter how many times you say "I agree", it will continue asking you every time you start the car. You're also right that it's pure CYA. However, since you don't actually have to agree with it to use the vehicle, I wonder whether it actually covers anything, or if it's just a meaningless hurdle you have to jump through. In any case, it's not for my benefit as the owner.