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When you are privileged you have no extra weight or leg up over someone else on standardized tests. That’s why it is the privileged elite who decry tests and ca

When you are privileged you have no extra weight or leg up over someone else on standardized tests. That’s why it is the privileged elite who decry tests and call for “diversity.” Under the guise and mask of diversity they try to maintain and entrench their privilege while giving the occasional breadcrumbs to the truly historically disadvantaged. I can’t for the life of me understand how the daughter of Bill Gates is the same as a poor African American from the ghetto. Diversity initiatives are almost always a subterfuge or false flag operation. - Diversity apparently includes fencing and rowing at most elite colleges. Just another filter with the benefit of virtue signaling and posturing.

Jensson 5y ago
Privileged white people who wants to preserve their privilege says that the poor white people are the problem and then kick those out in favor of black people. But the privileged white people are still there. And people wonder why poor white people don't like all of this "diversity" rethoric.
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  The poor whites are the collateral damage to the false flag diversity operation of the white elites. Otherwise the privileged white elites would be replaced/displaced by the test acing primarily non-white immigrants. "Diversity" initiatives is an act of self-preservation for the rich white elites.
  - lvass 5y ago
    Jewish as well, specially in the media/journalism field.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  You may find that the black people they favor are also privileged. IE a Nigerian 1-percenter is just as black for affirmative action metrics as an African American from a broken family living in inner-city Baltimore, but the Nigerian is probably 1000x more likely to be accepted into an American college.
  - 1cvmask 5y ago
    Yes exactly. That is why the diversity metric that would actually alleviate the situation of poor blacks like being income based is NOT used as that would also cripple the rich white elites.
  - torginus 5y ago
    I never understood this. Imo the moral justification behind affirmative action is that the upper echelons of society should represent the demographic makeup of society in general. Importing people who look like the people who you try to represent is the opposite of representation.
8note 5y ago
You still have advantages in how the tests are written. The questions still privilege people who grow up speaking a specific version of English
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  For sure. Although one thing that has baffled me is that all Swiss Germans do their school work in traditional German and NOT the language they speak. Swiss Germans understand Germans but the vice versa is not always true: The dialects of Swiss German must not be confused with Swiss Standard German, the variety of Standard German used in Switzerland. Most people in Germany do not understand Swiss German. Therefore, when an interview with a Swiss German speaker is shown on German television, subtitles are required.[6] Although Swiss German is the native language, from age 6, Swiss school students additionally learn Swiss Standard German at school and are thus capable of understanding, writing and speaking Standard German with varying abilities mainly based on the level of education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German
- rayiner 5y ago
  I’m ESL and no they don’t. They privilege people who read a lot.
celim307 5y ago
I generally agree but it’s definitely an advantage to have money, I got tutoring and practice tests from an early age. Someone poorer would have to work twice as hard
lelandfe 5y ago
> When you are privileged you have no extra weight or leg up over someone else on standardized tests American kids from poor families do worse on average than kids with more money on the SATs. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280232788_Race_Poverty_and_SAT_Scores_Modeling_the_Influences_of_Family_Income_on_Black_and_White_High_School_Students'_SAT_Performance https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280232788_Race_Pove...
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
> When you are privileged you have no extra weight or leg up over someone else on standardized tests. That is demonstrably not true. Wealthy people can and do spend legions on test prep and tutoring. But that said, I generally agree with some of the underlying sentiment, which is that many wealthy people value education and status that can be attained through scholastic achievement in a way that many poor people do not. I think that even if you had loads of high quality, free SAT prep classes and tutors that you'd still see a large test score gap.
- rayiner 5y ago
  This is an unscientific point. One, test prep doesn’t help that much. Two, it’s not that expensive: https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/06/21/asian_study_art.html https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/06/21/... > For them, Jiechu's price – $650 for a seven-week summer course, four hours a day, Monday to Friday – is a doable stretch. That comes to a bit less than $5 an hour, which is not exactly the “thousands of dollars in test prep” that Mr. Carranza cited.
  - thrashh 5y ago
    $650 is a lot of money for a lot of people
    - relaxing 5y ago
      Who is downvoting this?
    - JamesBarney 5y ago
      Money helps with any metric. If your GPA is bad, a tutor will help far more with GPA than test prep will help with your SAT and cost far more. School project, if you live in a household where one parent doesn't have to work, they can basically do your whole project moving a 50 to a 95. Extra curriculars, these require a large investment of time and money that is harder for a single working parent to pull off. College entrance essays. You can literally just pay someone to write them. You can't look at SATs in a vacuum. You have to compare it to the other possible metrics which all privilege the privileged more.
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Jensson 5y ago

Privileged white people who wants to preserve their privilege says that the poor white people are the problem and then kick those out in favor of black people. But the privileged white people are still there. And people wonder why poor white people don't like all of this "diversity" rethoric.

1cvmask 5y ago
The poor whites are the collateral damage to the false flag diversity operation of the white elites. Otherwise the privileged white elites would be replaced/displaced by the test acing primarily non-white immigrants. "Diversity" initiatives is an act of self-preservation for the rich white elites.
- lvass 5y ago
  Jewish as well, specially in the media/journalism field.
oh_sigh 5y ago
You may find that the black people they favor are also privileged. IE a Nigerian 1-percenter is just as black for affirmative action metrics as an African American from a broken family living in inner-city Baltimore, but the Nigerian is probably 1000x more likely to be accepted into an American college.
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  Yes exactly. That is why the diversity metric that would actually alleviate the situation of poor blacks like being income based is NOT used as that would also cripple the rich white elites.
- torginus 5y ago
  I never understood this. Imo the moral justification behind affirmative action is that the upper echelons of society should represent the demographic makeup of society in general. Importing people who look like the people who you try to represent is the opposite of representation.

8note 5y ago

You still have advantages in how the tests are written. The questions still privilege people who grow up speaking a specific version of English

1cvmask 5y ago
For sure. Although one thing that has baffled me is that all Swiss Germans do their school work in traditional German and NOT the language they speak. Swiss Germans understand Germans but the vice versa is not always true: The dialects of Swiss German must not be confused with Swiss Standard German, the variety of Standard German used in Switzerland. Most people in Germany do not understand Swiss German. Therefore, when an interview with a Swiss German speaker is shown on German television, subtitles are required.[6] Although Swiss German is the native language, from age 6, Swiss school students additionally learn Swiss Standard German at school and are thus capable of understanding, writing and speaking Standard German with varying abilities mainly based on the level of education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German
rayiner 5y ago
I’m ESL and no they don’t. They privilege people who read a lot.

celim307 5y ago

I generally agree but it’s definitely an advantage to have money, I got tutoring and practice tests from an early age. Someone poorer would have to work twice as hard

lelandfe 5y ago

> When you are privileged you have no extra weight or leg up over someone else on standardized tests American kids from poor families do worse on average than kids with more money on the SATs. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280232788_Race_Poverty_and_SAT_Scores_Modeling_the_Influences_of_Family_Income_on_Black_and_White_High_School_Students'_SAT_Performance https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280232788_Race_Pove...

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

> When you are privileged you have no extra weight or leg up over someone else on standardized tests. That is demonstrably not true. Wealthy people can and do spend legions on test prep and tutoring. But that said, I generally agree with some of the underlying sentiment, which is that many wealthy people value education and status that can be attained through scholastic achievement in a way that many poor people do not. I think that even if you had loads of high quality, free SAT prep classes and tutors that you'd still see a large test score gap.

rayiner 5y ago
This is an unscientific point. One, test prep doesn’t help that much. Two, it’s not that expensive: https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/06/21/asian_study_art.html https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/06/21/... > For them, Jiechu's price – $650 for a seven-week summer course, four hours a day, Monday to Friday – is a doable stretch. That comes to a bit less than $5 an hour, which is not exactly the “thousands of dollars in test prep” that Mr. Carranza cited.
- thrashh 5y ago
  $650 is a lot of money for a lot of people
  - relaxing 5y ago
    Who is downvoting this?
  - JamesBarney 5y ago
    Money helps with any metric. If your GPA is bad, a tutor will help far more with GPA than test prep will help with your SAT and cost far more. School project, if you live in a household where one parent doesn't have to work, they can basically do your whole project moving a 50 to a 95. Extra curriculars, these require a large investment of time and money that is harder for a single working parent to pull off. College entrance essays. You can literally just pay someone to write them. You can't look at SATs in a vacuum. You have to compare it to the other possible metrics which all privilege the privileged more.

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