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I am already swamped every year in California with annual privacy notices which seem to have to be mailed in paper format. We also seem to have these cookie al

I am already swamped every year in California with annual privacy notices which seem to have to be mailed in paper format. We also seem to have these cookie alert pop-ups in California - also very annoying. Is anyone tired of this stuff rather than enjoying it? We keep on being told this is all to help us. I find these cookie pop-ups stupid and annoying, just require a policy on the site, if I care I can go look. I'd be far FAR more impressed if we actually BANNED these damn things and switched to a basic enforcement model where even 1% of the crap on the net got cleaned up.

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emodendroket 5y ago
California, I've noticed since I've moved here, is in love with giving you a million notices nobody ever reads and that have no effect on anybody's behavior (the way every second thing you buy "contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer" is just the most obvious example). If they want to regulate something they should actually do it instead of wasting everybody's time with that stuff, imo.
- DavidPeiffer 5y ago
  California causes a large annoyance to supply chains and manufacturing. Their strict environmental standards mean as a trucker, you either service California or not. It's not something you just decide to do starting next week. From memory, the truck engine has to be under 10 years old and meet really strict emissions standards, costing a significant premium. For manufacturers, ensuring those stickers are in anything sold in California is a pain, and when you make millions of units, it often doesn't make sense to just apply the sticker, labeling, and documentation to everything you make.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    The environmental standards have a more tangible benefit and can have a pseudo-national effect given the size of California's market, so I'm not critical of that aspect. Slapping warning labels on everything without changing it feels like a waste of time, at least if you're not selective enough to make them useful to consumers.
dfxm12 5y ago
Compromise is when no one gets what they want. Corporations ostensibly don't get unfettered access to your data, and you have to navigate those pop ups. Of course, thanks to dark patterns and more importantly regulations with no teeth, the corporations usually get their way in the end. We're dealing with pop ups either way, so I'm not too annoyed with the current status quo, but yeah, it would be great if regulations could exist that just said no with real consequences for non compliance.
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  This pop-up love is the stupids thing ever. The reality - they are too lazy to just put in a bait email, watch it get sold improperly and prosecute. That's all it would take, no pop-ups needed.

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emodendroket 5y ago

California, I've noticed since I've moved here, is in love with giving you a million notices nobody ever reads and that have no effect on anybody's behavior (the way every second thing you buy "contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer" is just the most obvious example). If they want to regulate something they should actually do it instead of wasting everybody's time with that stuff, imo.

DavidPeiffer 5y ago
California causes a large annoyance to supply chains and manufacturing. Their strict environmental standards mean as a trucker, you either service California or not. It's not something you just decide to do starting next week. From memory, the truck engine has to be under 10 years old and meet really strict emissions standards, costing a significant premium. For manufacturers, ensuring those stickers are in anything sold in California is a pain, and when you make millions of units, it often doesn't make sense to just apply the sticker, labeling, and documentation to everything you make.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  The environmental standards have a more tangible benefit and can have a pseudo-national effect given the size of California's market, so I'm not critical of that aspect. Slapping warning labels on everything without changing it feels like a waste of time, at least if you're not selective enough to make them useful to consumers.

dfxm12 5y ago

Compromise is when no one gets what they want. Corporations ostensibly don't get unfettered access to your data, and you have to navigate those pop ups. Of course, thanks to dark patterns and more importantly regulations with no teeth, the corporations usually get their way in the end. We're dealing with pop ups either way, so I'm not too annoyed with the current status quo, but yeah, it would be great if regulations could exist that just said no with real consequences for non compliance.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
This pop-up love is the stupids thing ever. The reality - they are too lazy to just put in a bait email, watch it get sold improperly and prosecute. That's all it would take, no pop-ups needed.