> If someone demands an estimate from me, they get one See, you're missing the point of the estimate game. It's not to figure out how long it's going to take

> If someone demands an estimate from me, they get one See, you're missing the point of the estimate game. It's not to figure out how long it's going to take - they already know nobody knows the answer to that (and they've already decided how long it's going to take anyway). The point of the estimate is to bully you into making a completely unrealistic promise and then use that promise to bully you into working nights and weekends to keep it (one of the reasons they love work visas that are tied to a specific employer). It usually works on young naive developers for a while, until they either ulcerate themselves into an early grave or develop a healthy cynicism about estimates. Actually trying to deliver quality software is, incidentally, never one of the goals, just getting promoted by abusing people below them.