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> "Why does ur pp look like u just came?" Let's put things in perspective here. The chair came up with an absolutely idiotic idea (just using "it's time for a

> "Why does ur pp look like u just came?" Let's put things in perspective here. The chair came up with an absolutely idiotic idea (just using "it's time for a billionaire's tax" without any explanation what that would look like (a "wealth tax"? Extremely mixed results based on evidence), much less why it is ethical. His tweet amounted to a base-pandering swipe against very successful individuals "just because". Hence Musk's mocking reply with a meme. If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law, not those individuals. No one pays a dime more than they have to in taxes. Jealousy is not an argument. Want to raise capital-gains taxes? You're going to upset millions of retirees who factored that into their financial retirement plans. This is not a simple problem, and simply stating "durr hurr billionaire's tax" is thus not productive whatsoever (except to your less-intelligent voting constituents). Furthermore, to prove that at least the concern for his lack of contribution to government waste was not lost on him, he sold a ton of stock. So now he will owe a gigantic amount of tax money that he could have reinvested into the prosperity of thousands more individuals. When Musk is damned when he does and also damned when he doesn't, perhaps you have a bias on your hands.

ecf 5y ago
> Let’s put things in perspective here. The chair came up with an absolutely idiotic idea…” Put your money where your mouth is and start regularly insulting people in meetings when they have a bad idea. I wonder how long it’ll be before you’re canned. You won’t.
- pmarreck 5y ago
  This wasn't a meeting, and these people are not in the same company. You are comparing two completely dissimilar situations.
nescioquid 5y ago
> If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law, not those individuals. In general, where do you think those tax laws came from?
- pmarreck 5y ago
  The electorate, based on the fact that the elected president has managed to change tax law numerous times, at least stateside?
37ef_ced3 5y ago
There's no excuse for sexual harassment, public sexual humiliation. This kind of behavior is unacceptable, let alone from the CEO of a company like Tesla. We're talking about a CEO who intentionally smeared the reputation of another man by publicly insinuating that the man was a pedophile. It's beyond the pale. You should ask yourself, "Why am I defending the sexually degrading behavior of Tesla's CEO?"
- hellojesus 5y ago
  To me it reads more like a mixture between normal man-to-man chatter (aka, locker room talk) and someone who's grown up on the internet and imbues its dialect. Most of his comments are typical of netspeak. While it's definitely not professional, I have trouble finding it appalling and quite often get a good chuckle out of it.
  - 37ef_ced3 5y ago
    It sounds like you would be a good culture-fit at Tesla.
    - pmarreck 5y ago
      I definitely would be. But that's no argument for or against something. You can either be expected to defend yourself or you can expect rules and other people to do it for you (not implying a dichotomy fallacy, it's a gradient), I'm definitely squarely in the "stop whining and defend yourself" generation (perhaps call it "hazing").
- floor2 5y ago
  Assuming you are actually asking the question in good faith about why people would defend speech you dislike, here's a possible explanation. Your personal values, sensitivities and comfort zone are not universal. You placing a label like "humiliation" on speech doesn't make that interpretation universally agreed upon, in the same way that someone labeling criticism of the Thai royalty or the prophet Mohamed as unacceptable speech may not be something you would agree with. The internet brings in incredibly diverse viewpoints. Some people would censor referring to Taiwan as separate from China. Some people would censor stating that humans evolved from apes. Some people would censor sexual comments. To be clear, I'm not defending Musk's comments. I'm trying to get more people to recognize that subjective assessments of what is offensive are deeply culturally and individually biased, and someone having different taboos or 'drawing the line' in a different place on the same taboo doesn't make them objectively bad or wrong.
beaconstudios 5y ago
> The chair came up with an absolutely idiotic idea (just using "it's time for a billionaire's tax" > If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law, not those individuals
dragonwriter 5y ago
> If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law You need to make up your mind about whether identifying tax law as the source of the problem and proposing changes is (1) the proper response, or (2) something worthy of sexual humiliation. Because you seem to defending the position that it is #2 with the argument that it is #1, which suggests a bit of confusion on your part.
- pmarreck 5y ago
  To be clear, nothing is worthy of sexual humiliation. In any event, using an internet troll meme against someone is not "sexual humiliation" Sexual humiliation is something like, ripping someone's pants off in front of other people. An accusation of a small peepee coupled with a lack of evidence thereof is thus baseless and thus easily dismissed. If he actually pointed at said (presumably exposed) peepee in public and laughed at how small it was, THAT would be actual sexual humiliation. If not, it's just macho locker room bravado.

ecf 5y ago

> Let’s put things in perspective here. The chair came up with an absolutely idiotic idea…” Put your money where your mouth is and start regularly insulting people in meetings when they have a bad idea. I wonder how long it’ll be before you’re canned. You won’t.

pmarreck 5y ago
This wasn't a meeting, and these people are not in the same company. You are comparing two completely dissimilar situations.

nescioquid 5y ago

> If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law, not those individuals. In general, where do you think those tax laws came from?

pmarreck 5y ago
The electorate, based on the fact that the elected president has managed to change tax law numerous times, at least stateside?

37ef_ced3 5y ago

There's no excuse for sexual harassment, public sexual humiliation. This kind of behavior is unacceptable, let alone from the CEO of a company like Tesla. We're talking about a CEO who intentionally smeared the reputation of another man by publicly insinuating that the man was a pedophile. It's beyond the pale. You should ask yourself, "Why am I defending the sexually degrading behavior of Tesla's CEO?"

hellojesus 5y ago
To me it reads more like a mixture between normal man-to-man chatter (aka, locker room talk) and someone who's grown up on the internet and imbues its dialect. Most of his comments are typical of netspeak. While it's definitely not professional, I have trouble finding it appalling and quite often get a good chuckle out of it.
- 37ef_ced3 5y ago
  It sounds like you would be a good culture-fit at Tesla.
  - pmarreck 5y ago
    I definitely would be. But that's no argument for or against something. You can either be expected to defend yourself or you can expect rules and other people to do it for you (not implying a dichotomy fallacy, it's a gradient), I'm definitely squarely in the "stop whining and defend yourself" generation (perhaps call it "hazing").
floor2 5y ago
Assuming you are actually asking the question in good faith about why people would defend speech you dislike, here's a possible explanation. Your personal values, sensitivities and comfort zone are not universal. You placing a label like "humiliation" on speech doesn't make that interpretation universally agreed upon, in the same way that someone labeling criticism of the Thai royalty or the prophet Mohamed as unacceptable speech may not be something you would agree with. The internet brings in incredibly diverse viewpoints. Some people would censor referring to Taiwan as separate from China. Some people would censor stating that humans evolved from apes. Some people would censor sexual comments. To be clear, I'm not defending Musk's comments. I'm trying to get more people to recognize that subjective assessments of what is offensive are deeply culturally and individually biased, and someone having different taboos or 'drawing the line' in a different place on the same taboo doesn't make them objectively bad or wrong.

beaconstudios 5y ago

> The chair came up with an absolutely idiotic idea (just using "it's time for a billionaire's tax" > If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law, not those individuals

dragonwriter 5y ago

> If you want one-percenters to pay more taxes, be mad at tax law You need to make up your mind about whether identifying tax law as the source of the problem and proposing changes is (1) the proper response, or (2) something worthy of sexual humiliation. Because you seem to defending the position that it is #2 with the argument that it is #1, which suggests a bit of confusion on your part.

pmarreck 5y ago
To be clear, nothing is worthy of sexual humiliation. In any event, using an internet troll meme against someone is not "sexual humiliation" Sexual humiliation is something like, ripping someone's pants off in front of other people. An accusation of a small peepee coupled with a lack of evidence thereof is thus baseless and thus easily dismissed. If he actually pointed at said (presumably exposed) peepee in public and laughed at how small it was, THAT would be actual sexual humiliation. If not, it's just macho locker room bravado.