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Your comment is the kind of comment we have to stop if we are going to actually be able to push mens rights issues. You're using divisive language with your se

by zeku 5y ago

Your comment is the kind of comment we have to stop if we are going to actually be able to push mens rights issues. You're using divisive language with your second sentence and poison pilling the entire argument by attacking feminists. This doesn't have to be a feminist vs whatever war, it needs to be a conversation around male issues and we need everyone at the table to make things better.

groby_b 5y ago
Speaking as a feminist - spot on. Feminism isn't about just swapping gender roles and just giving power to women. (As much as Sheryl Sandberg seems to believe it is) Which means that yes, the incarceration rates are (or should be, it's not like there's a feminist cabal I speak for;) concerning for feminists Not in the sense that we should simply incarcerate not women, but in the sense that we should desperately look for the systemic issues that result in this outcome. There's a good chance that a strong gender binary and an idea that it's somehow "men vs women" actively contributes. (E.g. because we stereotypically assign more social behavior to girls, and reward/excuse antisocial behavior in boys) Trying to frame this as an either/or debate is directly detrimental to ever achieving equitable outcomes.
- mbrodersen 5y ago
  Males are biologically more aggressive that females. Pick any random male and female and there is a 60% chance that the male will be more aggressive than the female. You can study this and speculate as much as you want but you are wasting your time. Last time I looked males can’t give birth to children but females can. Is that also a cultural bias that we can somehow change to be more “even”? Good luck with that.
- mpweiher 5y ago
  > systemic issues [causing higher incarceration rates] Anti-male bias in the justice system, which has been shown to be around 6x higher than the anti-black bias in the justice system. > reward/excuse antisocial behavior in boys We do not. Society strongly discourages not just anti-social behavior in boys, it nowadays discourage a LOT of boy behavior that isn't actually anti-social. Boys are seen as defective girls. And of course the education system hugely discriminates against boys. Unabashedly so. > Feminism isn't about just swapping gender roles and just giving power to women. That used to be true. It no longer is.

by zeku 5y ago

groby_b 5y ago

Speaking as a feminist - spot on. Feminism isn't about just swapping gender roles and just giving power to women. (As much as Sheryl Sandberg seems to believe it is) Which means that yes, the incarceration rates are (or should be, it's not like there's a feminist cabal I speak for;) concerning for feminists Not in the sense that we should simply incarcerate not women, but in the sense that we should desperately look for the systemic issues that result in this outcome. There's a good chance that a strong gender binary and an idea that it's somehow "men vs women" actively contributes. (E.g. because we stereotypically assign more social behavior to girls, and reward/excuse antisocial behavior in boys) Trying to frame this as an either/or debate is directly detrimental to ever achieving equitable outcomes.

mbrodersen 5y ago
Males are biologically more aggressive that females. Pick any random male and female and there is a 60% chance that the male will be more aggressive than the female. You can study this and speculate as much as you want but you are wasting your time. Last time I looked males can’t give birth to children but females can. Is that also a cultural bias that we can somehow change to be more “even”? Good luck with that.
mpweiher 5y ago
> systemic issues [causing higher incarceration rates] Anti-male bias in the justice system, which has been shown to be around 6x higher than the anti-black bias in the justice system. > reward/excuse antisocial behavior in boys We do not. Society strongly discourages not just anti-social behavior in boys, it nowadays discourage a LOT of boy behavior that isn't actually anti-social. Boys are seen as defective girls. And of course the education system hugely discriminates against boys. Unabashedly so. > Feminism isn't about just swapping gender roles and just giving power to women. That used to be true. It no longer is.