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Can you cite anything that shows these drugs drive you insane with regular use. That sounds like mythology.

i_like_apis 5y ago
> Can you cite anything that shows these drugs drive you insane with regular use. That sounds like mythology. Take a drive down skid row. Or look at Haight-Ashbury in the 70's.
- gunshai 5y ago
  I have no idea how to take this comment. What does that have to do with psychedelics or really anything related to the topic at all.
  - i_like_apis 5y ago
    We're talking about the impact of drug use on mental health. I'm saying: look at the homeless epidemic. 90% of those folks have substance abuse issues. If you've done any psychedelics you would be foolish to not notice that they can drive a person insane under the right circumstances.
    - gunshai 5y ago
      Would I be foolish, or do I just need to be convinced with better evidence? You seem to be using a gateway type drug analogy combined with anecdote mixed with all sorts of other factors. And no I wasn't talking about "drugs" I was talking about psychedelics and their targeted use/dosage. I made the counter claim to provide evidence that psychedelics cause permanent psychosis. No one seems to be able to produce such evidence, and your point of casually linking homelessness to drug use may be all fine in a grand sense but with respect to the topic at hand it just looks like a red herring.
      - i_like_apis 5y ago
        I think it's foolish to think that acid doesn't induce psychosis. But perhaps you need better evidence. That's not to say that microdosing can't be useful. But I think it's possibly quite dangerous for some people. My evidence of that is knowing people who have done too much acid, and meeting plenty of street people in Haight-Ashbury who do acid.
        mistermann 5y ago
        Perhaps a more harmonious way of discussing this notion: what percentage of times does psychedelic usage lead to psychosis, and what evidence do we have that could suggest a plausibly accurate answer to that question?
        gunshai 5y ago
        This perfectly encapsulates my feeling. I see a lot of talk about the psychosis hypothesis but little in the way of evidence. Folks have some really rustled jimmies about being called out that evidence.
        mistermann 5y ago
        As a psychedelics enthusiast myself, who is particularly fascinated by the phenomenon whereby they demonstrate that the way we perceive reality in normal states of mind is obviously imperfect/filtered, reading people who are in normal states of mind talking about what psychedelics "are" or "do" (or, talkig about anything regarding reality, really) is....trippy.
kolinko 5y ago
It's quite common for people who take psychedelics regularly to get at least slightly detached from reality and pure reasoning. I've seen a friend of mine going deeper and deeper into that hole.
- p_j_w 5y ago
  >It's quite common for people who take psychedelics regularly to get at least slightly detached from reality and pure reasoning. He's asked for evidence and you've responded with a claim. Do you have any evidence to back this claim up? >I've seen a friend of mine going deeper and deeper into that hole. This is an anecdote. It does not constitute scientific evidence.
  - Loveaway 5y ago
    Mate you ever heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... ? Here's a bunch of real people suffering from it: https://old.reddit.com/r/HPPD https://old.reddit.com/r/HPPD You can definitely overdo psychedelics and fuck up your mind if you are careless with them. Maybe read up a bit on erowid, dmtnexus, shroomery, plenty of warnings from people who went to deep. Don't be stupid and naive. Microdosing may seem harmless, but it also means taking psychedelics every day for long periods. I wouldn't do more than 2 weeks, you gotta have to function without the drug at some point, can't imagine dosing LSD for a year and then stopping will be pleasant. But your mileage might vary... I just have way to much respect for psychedelics to take them every day.
    - gunshai 5y ago
      That is news to me I have never heard of this mentioned.
    - p_j_w 5y ago
      HPPD is a FAR cry from getting "slightly detached from reality and pure reasoning."
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thrwn_frthr_awy 5y ago
In the US in the 80’s and 90’s many kids were taught that the psychosis seen in many Vietnam soldiers after they’re return was due to psychedelic drugs and not a failed war, with little support, and lack of effort by the federal government.
- Archio 5y ago
  I'd like to ask people who were kids in the 80s and 90s if they are aware how many Vietnam soldiers were addicted to heroin upon returning, and what kind of effect that had.

> Can you cite anything that shows these drugs drive you insane with regular use. That sounds like mythology. Take a drive down skid row. Or look at Haight-Ashbury in the 70's.

gunshai 5y ago
I have no idea how to take this comment. What does that have to do with psychedelics or really anything related to the topic at all.
- i_like_apis 5y ago
  We're talking about the impact of drug use on mental health. I'm saying: look at the homeless epidemic. 90% of those folks have substance abuse issues. If you've done any psychedelics you would be foolish to not notice that they can drive a person insane under the right circumstances.
  - gunshai 5y ago
    Would I be foolish, or do I just need to be convinced with better evidence? You seem to be using a gateway type drug analogy combined with anecdote mixed with all sorts of other factors. And no I wasn't talking about "drugs" I was talking about psychedelics and their targeted use/dosage. I made the counter claim to provide evidence that psychedelics cause permanent psychosis. No one seems to be able to produce such evidence, and your point of casually linking homelessness to drug use may be all fine in a grand sense but with respect to the topic at hand it just looks like a red herring.
    - i_like_apis 5y ago
      I think it's foolish to think that acid doesn't induce psychosis. But perhaps you need better evidence. That's not to say that microdosing can't be useful. But I think it's possibly quite dangerous for some people. My evidence of that is knowing people who have done too much acid, and meeting plenty of street people in Haight-Ashbury who do acid.
      - mistermann 5y ago
        Perhaps a more harmonious way of discussing this notion: what percentage of times does psychedelic usage lead to psychosis, and what evidence do we have that could suggest a plausibly accurate answer to that question?
        gunshai 5y ago
        This perfectly encapsulates my feeling. I see a lot of talk about the psychosis hypothesis but little in the way of evidence. Folks have some really rustled jimmies about being called out that evidence.
        mistermann 5y ago
        As a psychedelics enthusiast myself, who is particularly fascinated by the phenomenon whereby they demonstrate that the way we perceive reality in normal states of mind is obviously imperfect/filtered, reading people who are in normal states of mind talking about what psychedelics "are" or "do" (or, talkig about anything regarding reality, really) is....trippy.

kolinko 5y ago

It's quite common for people who take psychedelics regularly to get at least slightly detached from reality and pure reasoning. I've seen a friend of mine going deeper and deeper into that hole.

p_j_w 5y ago
>It's quite common for people who take psychedelics regularly to get at least slightly detached from reality and pure reasoning. He's asked for evidence and you've responded with a claim. Do you have any evidence to back this claim up? >I've seen a friend of mine going deeper and deeper into that hole. This is an anecdote. It does not constitute scientific evidence.
- Loveaway 5y ago
  Mate you ever heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... ? Here's a bunch of real people suffering from it: https://old.reddit.com/r/HPPD https://old.reddit.com/r/HPPD You can definitely overdo psychedelics and fuck up your mind if you are careless with them. Maybe read up a bit on erowid, dmtnexus, shroomery, plenty of warnings from people who went to deep. Don't be stupid and naive. Microdosing may seem harmless, but it also means taking psychedelics every day for long periods. I wouldn't do more than 2 weeks, you gotta have to function without the drug at some point, can't imagine dosing LSD for a year and then stopping will be pleasant. But your mileage might vary... I just have way to much respect for psychedelics to take them every day.
  - gunshai 5y ago
    That is news to me I have never heard of this mentioned.
  - p_j_w 5y ago
    HPPD is a FAR cry from getting "slightly detached from reality and pure reasoning."
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thrwn_frthr_awy 5y ago

In the US in the 80’s and 90’s many kids were taught that the psychosis seen in many Vietnam soldiers after they’re return was due to psychedelic drugs and not a failed war, with little support, and lack of effort by the federal government.

Archio 5y ago
I'd like to ask people who were kids in the 80s and 90s if they are aware how many Vietnam soldiers were addicted to heroin upon returning, and what kind of effect that had.