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> Aren't everybody else's doorbell camera's the privacy issue? The ones the staunch individualist has no control over? Maybe. There's nothing that prevents ot
by tristor 5y ago
> Aren't everybody else's doorbell camera's the privacy issue? The ones the staunch individualist has no control over?
Maybe. There's nothing that prevents other people from having a doorbell camera that doesn't violate privacy, except for the greed of large companies. Certainly most people do not install a doorbell camera with the intent to violate privacy, so it doesn't logically follow for me that doorbell cameras necessarily cause a privacy issue, not the least of which because I was able to set one up that does not cause a privacy issue.
The privacy issue here isn't caused by your neighbors possibly having a recording of what you do on the public street, it's caused by a random person and a law enforcement agency and a data broker company in different parts of the world and with no relationship to you having a recording of what you did on the public street. The doorbell camera alone is fundamentally no different from your neighbor peering out the window or checking their peephole in the front door. The difference comes from the companies building systems /explicitly/ on the basis of capturing and trading/selling that data and embedding this in the products they offer to consumers. It does not have to be this way, and indeed there are product offerings that don't upload live streams of the all their video to the cloud to be snarfed up my data brokers, voyeurs, and police agencies.
Remember, these are cameras pointed at a public street, so while there is a reasonable expectation that you have privacy from non-involved/non-present parties to your actions there, there is no such expectation of privacy from those who could reasonable observe you. Individuals who wish to keep their actions secret don't do them on the public street in broad daylight, and that has been true for millennia.
- warkdarrior 5y ago> Certainly most people do not install a doorbell camera with the intent to violate privacy Most people will install a doorbell camera that gives them the most functions for the least amount of money. Does the doorbell cot me $10, but give me good quality video? And a way to replay video from last week? And a way to corroborate the video with neighbors video to catch repeat offenders? And a way to share the video with police? Great, I'm sold. Your privacy? What privacy? It stops where you get too close to my house, I'm a true individual and need to control and protect my house/"castle".
- b3morales 5y ago> there is no such expectation of privacy from those who could reasonable observe you The difference between a neighbor looking out their window or sitting on their porch as you pass, and a tiny device watching 24/7, saving everything it observes, and making the recording available to third parties including the police*, without either the owner or you being informed is gigantic. There is no comparison here: these cameras are different in kind (not degree) from the normal human lack of privacy on the sidewalk. > Certainly most people do not install a doorbell camera with the intent to violate privacy But they do, in fact, in actual practice. Just as a hunting accident may not have been intentional but still has an effect. --- * If you give me six minutes of video of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. – Cardinal Richelieu, probably
- tristor 5y agoI think you are misreading me. I am very clearly marking the difference between such a device and a camera which is NOT cloud connected. It’s the shuttling of the data that creates the privacy issue, not the mere recording.