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It's not a pleasant experience to come on board and deal with a typeless, styleless, inconsistent mess. And that's what Ruby on Rails will create, unless you s

It's not a pleasant experience to come on board and deal with a typeless, styleless, inconsistent mess. And that's what Ruby on Rails will create, unless you spend an inordinate amount of effort on adding back all the tooling you need to make functional software in large groups. Even then - there's no real path to a mature and maintainable language/framework. In my area (Atlanta) we're seeing a glut of RoR devs available because a lot of the large employers have given up and shut down the RoRs projects in favor of anything more suitable to teams in the 15 to 500 engineer range. Usually this has been typescript/java/.net. Even within the RoR guys I know - a LOT of them are trying to get out and work with something else (several folks I know are moving to elixir)

AlchemistCamp 5y ago
Elixir is also dynamically typed but due to its pattern matching and immutability, I've found it eliminates about 90% of the issues that I've found with dynamic typing in other languages. It's still got most of what made Ruby a joy to work with and several unique advantages, too!
- montblanc 5y ago
  Lots of people complain about Elixir's lack of types and possible incomprehensible mess caused by Macros. It kinda proves to me that everyone has different tastes in software and that's about it, there is no objective truth to any of it. For me Java code is a nightmare.
ksec 5y ago
>Even then - there's no real path to a mature and maintainable language/framework. Hopefully that is what Github and Shopify brings to the table. Instead of just using Rails they are now actively shaping its future direction. >because a lot of the large employers have given up and shut down the RoRs projects My impression is that the vast majority of Rails communities don't care much about its ecosystem growth. They are just happily using it.
joelbluminator 5y ago
> a LOT of them are trying to get out and work with something else (several folks I know are moving to elixir) Dumb move, Elixir has around 1000 job openings in the U.S while Ruby has 35000. In fact I find it pretty hard to believe they can't get a Ruby job in the U.S, and they choose Elixir from all stacks as a solution to their problem. Sounds to me like they just wanna try Elixir and can't really build a good argument in their head on why they're doing it. Jobs-wise things are definitely not gonna be easier for them with Elixir.
- zerocount 5y ago
  I agree. Elixir is just too obscure.
tmm84 5y ago
This has been my experience. I gave into learning Ruby and how things can be written several different ways. Even when tools like Rubocop and the like are used it still can result in a codebase that is very difficult to use. My opinion, typed/tooled is useful when the desired solution/behavior/concept is complex.

AlchemistCamp 5y ago

Elixir is also dynamically typed but due to its pattern matching and immutability, I've found it eliminates about 90% of the issues that I've found with dynamic typing in other languages. It's still got most of what made Ruby a joy to work with and several unique advantages, too!

montblanc 5y ago
Lots of people complain about Elixir's lack of types and possible incomprehensible mess caused by Macros. It kinda proves to me that everyone has different tastes in software and that's about it, there is no objective truth to any of it. For me Java code is a nightmare.

ksec 5y ago

>Even then - there's no real path to a mature and maintainable language/framework. Hopefully that is what Github and Shopify brings to the table. Instead of just using Rails they are now actively shaping its future direction. >because a lot of the large employers have given up and shut down the RoRs projects My impression is that the vast majority of Rails communities don't care much about its ecosystem growth. They are just happily using it.

joelbluminator 5y ago

> a LOT of them are trying to get out and work with something else (several folks I know are moving to elixir) Dumb move, Elixir has around 1000 job openings in the U.S while Ruby has 35000. In fact I find it pretty hard to believe they can't get a Ruby job in the U.S, and they choose Elixir from all stacks as a solution to their problem. Sounds to me like they just wanna try Elixir and can't really build a good argument in their head on why they're doing it. Jobs-wise things are definitely not gonna be easier for them with Elixir.

zerocount 5y ago
I agree. Elixir is just too obscure.

tmm84 5y ago

This has been my experience. I gave into learning Ruby and how things can be written several different ways. Even when tools like Rubocop and the like are used it still can result in a codebase that is very difficult to use. My opinion, typed/tooled is useful when the desired solution/behavior/concept is complex.