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100% agree with you. Crypto is as much, if not more, a social movement than a pure technology solution at this stage. Whether or not the blockchain, tokens, DA

by cl42 5y ago

100% agree with you. Crypto is as much, if not more, a social movement than a pure technology solution at this stage. Whether or not the blockchain, tokens, DAOs, etc. are the "right" approach to things, the fact that there are millions of users and many who are coming up with ideas, building products, etc. is something that is hard to ignore. I was in the Discord group for Constitution DAO and it was really interesting to observe how excited, hopeful, and positive about the future people were. I think the world needs that, especially post-COVID.

dimgl 5y ago
I'm not entirely sure I agree with you. Just because something gives people purpose doesn't mean it's positive... You can be excited, hopeful and positive about something that provides very little value.
- cl42 5y ago
  I don't think any of us can say whether any technology or product is inherently good, but if millions of people are using it, are happy doing so, and they say it's good for them, then that sounds pretty nice to me. I've heard similar arguments about movies and video games in the past, and it's never that clear cut.
smt88 5y ago
> the fact that there are millions of users and many who are coming up with ideas, building products, etc. is something that is hard to ignore I think most people's interest in crypto begins and ends at "you can get insane returns". It's gambling or FOMO for most people. The excited builders are very more sparse (try to find anyone building on or even talking about Dfinity for evidence). I'm not saying it'll never change, but right now there's no ecosystem for blockchain outside of NFTs and coins.
- cl42 5y ago
  Yes, I also agree with this. 98% of this is a mess, but when you get into some of these communities, DAOs, etc. there is a certain level of excitement that reminds me of the Internet in 2002.
propogandist 5y ago
>Crypto is as much, if not more, a social movement than a pure technology solution at this stage. you mean the HODL crowd that's constantly pumping alt-coins? there are huge communities around that; nothing in crypto seems to be about the technology as of late
pavlov 5y ago
QAnon also made millions of people excited, hopeful, and positive about the future. Any moment now, the truth would be revealed to all, the clouds would part and everyone's life would be changed forever. Making people feel good on the short term is not a justification for anything. We need to focus on solving the real problems, not selling crypto opium to those who have lost hope.
- cl42 5y ago
  With this sort of logic, should we get rid of movies that we deem unproductive? Burn books that don't explicitly contribute to the human race? Ban video games that promote values we disagree with? There are entire industries designed to make people feel good and do nothing else. If you're equating crypto with QAnon then I don't think there's much room for debate here.
  - pavlov 5y ago
    Yeah, I'm totally advocating burning books because I think it's not a great idea to get your hopes up when you send money to some random guy's Delaware company that was started yesterday. Crypto is not QAnon (although they do share general cultish traits). I was using Q as an extreme example of another online movement that also gave hope to people hanging out in forums.

by cl42 5y ago

dimgl 5y ago

I'm not entirely sure I agree with you. Just because something gives people purpose doesn't mean it's positive... You can be excited, hopeful and positive about something that provides very little value.

cl42 5y ago
I don't think any of us can say whether any technology or product is inherently good, but if millions of people are using it, are happy doing so, and they say it's good for them, then that sounds pretty nice to me. I've heard similar arguments about movies and video games in the past, and it's never that clear cut.

smt88 5y ago

> the fact that there are millions of users and many who are coming up with ideas, building products, etc. is something that is hard to ignore I think most people's interest in crypto begins and ends at "you can get insane returns". It's gambling or FOMO for most people. The excited builders are very more sparse (try to find anyone building on or even talking about Dfinity for evidence). I'm not saying it'll never change, but right now there's no ecosystem for blockchain outside of NFTs and coins.

cl42 5y ago
Yes, I also agree with this. 98% of this is a mess, but when you get into some of these communities, DAOs, etc. there is a certain level of excitement that reminds me of the Internet in 2002.

propogandist 5y ago

>Crypto is as much, if not more, a social movement than a pure technology solution at this stage. you mean the HODL crowd that's constantly pumping alt-coins? there are huge communities around that; nothing in crypto seems to be about the technology as of late

pavlov 5y ago

QAnon also made millions of people excited, hopeful, and positive about the future. Any moment now, the truth would be revealed to all, the clouds would part and everyone's life would be changed forever. Making people feel good on the short term is not a justification for anything. We need to focus on solving the real problems, not selling crypto opium to those who have lost hope.

cl42 5y ago
With this sort of logic, should we get rid of movies that we deem unproductive? Burn books that don't explicitly contribute to the human race? Ban video games that promote values we disagree with? There are entire industries designed to make people feel good and do nothing else. If you're equating crypto with QAnon then I don't think there's much room for debate here.
- pavlov 5y ago
  Yeah, I'm totally advocating burning books because I think it's not a great idea to get your hopes up when you send money to some random guy's Delaware company that was started yesterday. Crypto is not QAnon (although they do share general cultish traits). I was using Q as an extreme example of another online movement that also gave hope to people hanging out in forums.