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Yeah in France where I was born, which is no perfect by any means of course, we tend to call the american obsession with racial segmentation "racialism" and con

Yeah in France where I was born, which is no perfect by any means of course, we tend to call the american obsession with racial segmentation "racialism" and consider it just as bad as racism. Like racism is to grade races when racialism is to accept humanity can be segmented is such races, which we strongly deny as a nation, or so I was raised to believe (but again no lessons to give, we have issues in France)

whimsicalism 5y ago
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- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  > From what I've read, the racism in France is quite bad Links
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    https://www.connexionfrance.com/Archive/Clubs-accused-of-racism-at-door https://www.connexionfrance.com/Archive/Clubs-accused-of-rac... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/sports/psg-racial-profiling.amp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/sports/psg-racial-profili... https://www.luminosoa.org/site/books/m/10.1525/luminos.39/ https://www.luminosoa.org/site/books/m/10.1525/luminos.39/
    - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
      Several isolated incidents does not make a larger problem
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        So you want me to provide statistical evidence of a broader problem in a country where it is illegal to collect any statistics around race? https://www.newsweek.com/french-activists-39-percent-paris-temp-agencies-agreed-weed-out-non-white-workers-1637191 https://www.newsweek.com/french-activists-39-percent-paris-t... 39% of Parisian hiring agencies agreeing to filter out non-white job applicants: You would never get anywhere near that number in an urban US core.
        NikolaeVarius 5y ago
        > So you want me to provide statistical evidence of a broader problem in a country where it is illegal to collect any statistics around race? Yes? Since apparently you feel perfectly comfortable with a link trying to prove this very fact, but lets see the claims of the article you linked. > called 69 temporary employment agencies in the Paris area posing as employees from a construction firm. Already an extremely small sample > The French government said it would summon the companies in question. Audited > It said 55 percent of the branch offices it contacted refused requests to discriminate. Okay > Although limited in scope to a small number of agencies, the findings highlight what anti-racism campaigners say is a wider problem of discrimination in some French workplaces. A claim of wider effects from a noted small sample
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        variance = p*q/n, gives an estimate of ~0.3% which puts >95% probability of the the true proportion of racist french temp agencies >25%. It's more than large enough of a sample size to put a tight confidence interval around the proportion. Again, as I've said - you would never get anything remotely like this in the urban core of the US.
- emsy 5y ago
  I‘m from Germany, so I’m close to France but still have an outside perspective and your comment is ridiculous.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Based on? Nobody with as close of ties to white supremacy has ever gotten as near to the presidency in the US as Marine Lepen. US nightclubs do not routinely filter based on race, unlike a sizeable percentage of Paris nightclubs from past investigative reporting. Is it possible that maybe you just don't notice the brunt of it because there are fewer people of African descent in both of these countries?
    - furgooswft13 5y ago
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      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        My accusations against Le Pen are equally as absurd as some other accusations that you brought up that I never made?
        furgooswft13 5y ago
        Yes.
    - twofornone 5y ago
      Maybe people like LePen are growing in popularity because people like you absolutely refuse to acknowledge the social, cultural, and financial costs of importing millions of, as you put it, "brown people"? Maybe these people are tired of being dehumanized as nazis for attempting to voice legitimate grievances?
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
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msla 5y ago
> Yeah in France where I was born, which is no perfect by any means of course, we tend to call the american obsession with racial segmentation "racialism" and consider it just as bad as racism. This is precisely what a racist would believe, and this precise ideology gives perfect cover to racism.

whimsicalism 5y ago

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NikolaeVarius 5y ago
> From what I've read, the racism in France is quite bad Links
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  https://www.connexionfrance.com/Archive/Clubs-accused-of-racism-at-door https://www.connexionfrance.com/Archive/Clubs-accused-of-rac... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/sports/psg-racial-profiling.amp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/sports/psg-racial-profili... https://www.luminosoa.org/site/books/m/10.1525/luminos.39/ https://www.luminosoa.org/site/books/m/10.1525/luminos.39/
  - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
    Several isolated incidents does not make a larger problem
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      So you want me to provide statistical evidence of a broader problem in a country where it is illegal to collect any statistics around race? https://www.newsweek.com/french-activists-39-percent-paris-temp-agencies-agreed-weed-out-non-white-workers-1637191 https://www.newsweek.com/french-activists-39-percent-paris-t... 39% of Parisian hiring agencies agreeing to filter out non-white job applicants: You would never get anywhere near that number in an urban US core.
      - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
        > So you want me to provide statistical evidence of a broader problem in a country where it is illegal to collect any statistics around race? Yes? Since apparently you feel perfectly comfortable with a link trying to prove this very fact, but lets see the claims of the article you linked. > called 69 temporary employment agencies in the Paris area posing as employees from a construction firm. Already an extremely small sample > The French government said it would summon the companies in question. Audited > It said 55 percent of the branch offices it contacted refused requests to discriminate. Okay > Although limited in scope to a small number of agencies, the findings highlight what anti-racism campaigners say is a wider problem of discrimination in some French workplaces. A claim of wider effects from a noted small sample
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        variance = p*q/n, gives an estimate of ~0.3% which puts >95% probability of the the true proportion of racist french temp agencies >25%. It's more than large enough of a sample size to put a tight confidence interval around the proportion. Again, as I've said - you would never get anything remotely like this in the urban core of the US.
emsy 5y ago
I‘m from Germany, so I’m close to France but still have an outside perspective and your comment is ridiculous.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Based on? Nobody with as close of ties to white supremacy has ever gotten as near to the presidency in the US as Marine Lepen. US nightclubs do not routinely filter based on race, unlike a sizeable percentage of Paris nightclubs from past investigative reporting. Is it possible that maybe you just don't notice the brunt of it because there are fewer people of African descent in both of these countries?
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
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    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      My accusations against Le Pen are equally as absurd as some other accusations that you brought up that I never made?
      - furgooswft13 5y ago
        Yes.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    Maybe people like LePen are growing in popularity because people like you absolutely refuse to acknowledge the social, cultural, and financial costs of importing millions of, as you put it, "brown people"? Maybe these people are tired of being dehumanized as nazis for attempting to voice legitimate grievances?
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
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msla 5y ago

> Yeah in France where I was born, which is no perfect by any means of course, we tend to call the american obsession with racial segmentation "racialism" and consider it just as bad as racism. This is precisely what a racist would believe, and this precise ideology gives perfect cover to racism.