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More evidence that China's arm reaches quite far, including inside the West. Because China is willing to play dirty. If they hosted it, they would see Marriot

by 323 5y ago

More evidence that China's arm reaches quite far, including inside the West. Because China is willing to play dirty. If they hosted it, they would see Marriot executives arrested for "corruption", or Marriot hotels closed for "environmental damage" or similar things, like how they arrested two innocent Canadians as retaliation for the Canadian arrest of the Huawei executive. This is why Nike, NBA, Hollywood, ... bow down to China, including inside the US, they know they will be crushed if they don't.

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AlexandrB 5y ago
I'm not a fan of China myself, but there's some evidence[1] that the two Canadians arrested were, in fact, spies. Personally, I'm not sure what to think. But tweets like this from CSIS[2] are certainly suggestive when viewed in a certain light. [1] https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/09/29/michael-kovrig-and-spavor-are-spies-despite-obfuscations-of-canadas-mainstream-media/ https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/09/29/michael-kovrig-and-sp... [2] https://twitter.com/csiscanada/status/1441576564374769665 https://twitter.com/csiscanada/status/1441576564374769665
- 323 5y ago
  Article written by: > Aidan Jonah is the Editor-in-Chief of The Canada Files, a socialist, anti-imperialist news site founded in 2019. He has written about Canadian imperialism, federal politics, and left-wing resistance to colonialism across the world. Site mission: > With the emergence of China’s New Silk Road (One Belt and One Road Initiative) as a force for global progress, poverty eradication, and peace, Canada has been confronted with an existential choice: Either continue to abide by the rule of monetarism, post-industrialism and war which have become signature features of the Anglo-American system dominant since World War two and run through the City of London and Wall Street, or embark upon a new mission of “win-win cooperation”, respect for the sovereignty of each nation while working in harmony with a community of share interest vectored around long term goals, great infrastructure programs and scientific discovery. This latter system is empowered by the force of new institutions such as the BRICS, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Eurasian Economic Union. New credit generating institutions have been created to advance the expanded New Silk Road vision have come online such as the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), the New Development Bank and the Silk Road Investment Fund to name a few. Prasing Donald Trump approach to Russian and China: > European nations are now deliberating whether they should continue to sit in the failed Euro cage, or embark on this project which openly welcomes all sovereign countries as partners in development. Donald Trump’s United States, having broken with the Neo-Conservative paradigm of war with China and Russia, also increasingly moves towards a new collaborative relationship with Eurasia and the New Silk Road. The question is what will Canada do in the face of this historic opportunity?
  - screye 5y ago
    > as partners in development Any country that has ever taken on debt from China would like to have a talk with you.
- chamsom 5y ago
  It says a lot that whenever someone presents a new idea that challenges existing views of international issues, we have to remind other posters of our personal alignment against the country on the other side of the fence. It's okay to try to understand the world beyond conventional discourse. No one should be afraid of analyzing an issue with skepticism.
- simonh 5y ago
  Oh come on. It's amazing how a pro-communist editorial has to so thoroughly twist itself up in knots to support the CCP narrative (which it simply regurgitates whole), that it ends up painting a lefty liberal group like the ICG as a sinister imperialist front. It even manages to paint these guy's pro-North Korean activities and promotion of a positive image of NK as somehow evidence of their Imperialist agenda. One of them posting photos of North Korean propaganda parades is painted as "photographing military personnel". If it wasn't deeply sad, it would be hilarious.
  - AlexandrB 5y ago
    I'll admit that my first link is unfortunately pretty poor. Finding any significant investigative journalism on the topic is difficult.
- goodcanadian 5y ago
  I have never before heard of Canadian Patriot, but from the first sentence of the editor's note, I am led to strongly doubt its impartiality: Canadian Patriot Review Editor’s note: On September 24, 2021, an agreement was reached to free Meng Wanzhou who had been illegally held captive in Canada since December 2018 . . . There was nothing illegal about Meng Wanzhou's arrest. The U.S. made a request under a long extant extradition treaty. As for being "held captive," she was released on bail and lived in a home that she owned in Vancouver: very different to the conditions of the "two Michaels." In the end, the extradition hearing was never completed as the arrest warrant was eventually dropped by the U.S.. It was, by no means, a foregone conclusion what the outcome of the hearing would have been. Whatever you think of U.S. motives in all of this, the process was legal.
  - skeeter2020 5y ago
    I agree; anyone who thinks the two situations are comparable between "out on bail and living in a Vancouver mansion" vs. "held in Chinese prison with no access to diplomatic resources" has been successfully co-opted by the China-led campaign.
  - dirtyid 5y ago
    The process for detaining the Michaels was legal as well. Every nation has authority to round up spies. Here's Kovrig's friend playing coy about his intelligence past. >Edith Terry: Michael Kovrig is a friend, and I am very conscious of the privations he has endured. And while his background is complex and possibly included intelligence gathering for the Canadian government during his diplomatic career, he was very open about his research interests and contacts. [0] At end of day, billionaire who commited alleged fraud gets treated like billionaires while Spies who commited alleged espionage get treated like spies. This shouldn't be shocking, it's how the game is played. Canada excuting US foreign policy (China Initiative) because US found a paper loophole to kidnap Meng legally doesn't change the fact Canada kidnapped Meng in terms of diplomatic norms in the same way "enhanced interrogation" is still torture. Nevermind that Canada had legally right to drop extradition if case is sufficiently politicized as well. But laws are subservient to politics. [0] https://www.chinafile.com/conversation/will-i-return-china https://www.chinafile.com/conversation/will-i-return-china
criddell 5y ago
I understand how China is an important growth market for the NBA, but I don't think the NBA would be crushed in the US without China.
- jsiepkes 5y ago
  Plenty of companies could survive without China. They just don't want to part with China's money/market/cheap labor.
- paxys 5y ago
  Crushed is a relative term of course, but in the last 10-15 years the value of many NBA franchises has gone up 10x due to rise in international viewers, mostly coming out of China. This is something other leagues (most prominently NFL) have not been able to replicate.
beaunative 5y ago
Marriot executives arrested for "corruption" Marriot hotels closed for "environmental damage" The Chinese government don't actually do these things, they don't really need to, this sounds more like options for the American government.

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AlexandrB 5y ago

I'm not a fan of China myself, but there's some evidence[1] that the two Canadians arrested were, in fact, spies. Personally, I'm not sure what to think. But tweets like this from CSIS[2] are certainly suggestive when viewed in a certain light. [1] https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/09/29/michael-kovrig-and-spavor-are-spies-despite-obfuscations-of-canadas-mainstream-media/ https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/09/29/michael-kovrig-and-sp... [2] https://twitter.com/csiscanada/status/1441576564374769665 https://twitter.com/csiscanada/status/1441576564374769665

323 5y ago
Article written by: > Aidan Jonah is the Editor-in-Chief of The Canada Files, a socialist, anti-imperialist news site founded in 2019. He has written about Canadian imperialism, federal politics, and left-wing resistance to colonialism across the world. Site mission: > With the emergence of China’s New Silk Road (One Belt and One Road Initiative) as a force for global progress, poverty eradication, and peace, Canada has been confronted with an existential choice: Either continue to abide by the rule of monetarism, post-industrialism and war which have become signature features of the Anglo-American system dominant since World War two and run through the City of London and Wall Street, or embark upon a new mission of “win-win cooperation”, respect for the sovereignty of each nation while working in harmony with a community of share interest vectored around long term goals, great infrastructure programs and scientific discovery. This latter system is empowered by the force of new institutions such as the BRICS, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Eurasian Economic Union. New credit generating institutions have been created to advance the expanded New Silk Road vision have come online such as the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), the New Development Bank and the Silk Road Investment Fund to name a few. Prasing Donald Trump approach to Russian and China: > European nations are now deliberating whether they should continue to sit in the failed Euro cage, or embark on this project which openly welcomes all sovereign countries as partners in development. Donald Trump’s United States, having broken with the Neo-Conservative paradigm of war with China and Russia, also increasingly moves towards a new collaborative relationship with Eurasia and the New Silk Road. The question is what will Canada do in the face of this historic opportunity?
- screye 5y ago
  > as partners in development Any country that has ever taken on debt from China would like to have a talk with you.
chamsom 5y ago
It says a lot that whenever someone presents a new idea that challenges existing views of international issues, we have to remind other posters of our personal alignment against the country on the other side of the fence. It's okay to try to understand the world beyond conventional discourse. No one should be afraid of analyzing an issue with skepticism.
simonh 5y ago
Oh come on. It's amazing how a pro-communist editorial has to so thoroughly twist itself up in knots to support the CCP narrative (which it simply regurgitates whole), that it ends up painting a lefty liberal group like the ICG as a sinister imperialist front. It even manages to paint these guy's pro-North Korean activities and promotion of a positive image of NK as somehow evidence of their Imperialist agenda. One of them posting photos of North Korean propaganda parades is painted as "photographing military personnel". If it wasn't deeply sad, it would be hilarious.
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  I'll admit that my first link is unfortunately pretty poor. Finding any significant investigative journalism on the topic is difficult.
goodcanadian 5y ago
I have never before heard of Canadian Patriot, but from the first sentence of the editor's note, I am led to strongly doubt its impartiality: Canadian Patriot Review Editor’s note: On September 24, 2021, an agreement was reached to free Meng Wanzhou who had been illegally held captive in Canada since December 2018 . . . There was nothing illegal about Meng Wanzhou's arrest. The U.S. made a request under a long extant extradition treaty. As for being "held captive," she was released on bail and lived in a home that she owned in Vancouver: very different to the conditions of the "two Michaels." In the end, the extradition hearing was never completed as the arrest warrant was eventually dropped by the U.S.. It was, by no means, a foregone conclusion what the outcome of the hearing would have been. Whatever you think of U.S. motives in all of this, the process was legal.
- skeeter2020 5y ago
  I agree; anyone who thinks the two situations are comparable between "out on bail and living in a Vancouver mansion" vs. "held in Chinese prison with no access to diplomatic resources" has been successfully co-opted by the China-led campaign.
- dirtyid 5y ago
  The process for detaining the Michaels was legal as well. Every nation has authority to round up spies. Here's Kovrig's friend playing coy about his intelligence past. >Edith Terry: Michael Kovrig is a friend, and I am very conscious of the privations he has endured. And while his background is complex and possibly included intelligence gathering for the Canadian government during his diplomatic career, he was very open about his research interests and contacts. [0] At end of day, billionaire who commited alleged fraud gets treated like billionaires while Spies who commited alleged espionage get treated like spies. This shouldn't be shocking, it's how the game is played. Canada excuting US foreign policy (China Initiative) because US found a paper loophole to kidnap Meng legally doesn't change the fact Canada kidnapped Meng in terms of diplomatic norms in the same way "enhanced interrogation" is still torture. Nevermind that Canada had legally right to drop extradition if case is sufficiently politicized as well. But laws are subservient to politics. [0] https://www.chinafile.com/conversation/will-i-return-china https://www.chinafile.com/conversation/will-i-return-china

criddell 5y ago

I understand how China is an important growth market for the NBA, but I don't think the NBA would be crushed in the US without China.

jsiepkes 5y ago
Plenty of companies could survive without China. They just don't want to part with China's money/market/cheap labor.
paxys 5y ago
Crushed is a relative term of course, but in the last 10-15 years the value of many NBA franchises has gone up 10x due to rise in international viewers, mostly coming out of China. This is something other leagues (most prominently NFL) have not been able to replicate.

beaunative 5y ago

Marriot executives arrested for "corruption" Marriot hotels closed for "environmental damage" The Chinese government don't actually do these things, they don't really need to, this sounds more like options for the American government.