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Humans gonna human. No one group is particularly more righteous, as much as the recent zeitgeist wants to lull us into this belief. Many people even believe th

Humans gonna human. No one group is particularly more righteous, as much as the recent zeitgeist wants to lull us into this belief. Many people even believe that countries would be better off if mostly women ran it. Well, all you’d have is a bunch of corrupt women instead of a bunch of corrupt men.

native_samples 5y ago
Well, that's not what the study says. It says - or seems to say - that women discriminate against men but not vice versa.
blitz_skull 5y ago
How dare you suggest the problem is intrinsically in us all!
- kreeben 5y ago
  How dare you not try and cancel this evil person?
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Loughla 5y ago
This actually hits on an argument that I don't understand that is actively and currently happening around me. I work in a place that is currently undergoing some diversity, equity, and inclusion education for staff. One camp sees it as an attack on themselves. "I'm not racist, I can't be racist, I would never act like that." One camp sees it as an opportunity to attack others. "My experience is that people like you are racist. My experience is that people like you treat me poorly." I can't get the two parts of this argument to understand that ---literally every human stereotypes and uses those stereotypes to make decisions--- and that's okay, as long as you identify them, and work to NOT make decisions based solely on stereotypes. There is no 'good' group or 'bad' group (outside of overt racists or something like that). Everyone sucks a little, but some groups have more power to turn their suck into policy. And everyone needs to know that to be able to try to fix it.
- crate_barre 5y ago
  It’s fundamentally because we are trying to tackle a systemic issue (a macro level issue) at the micro level (day to day human interaction). Most people are not going to be (or even are) racist/prejudiced to each other in the day to day. Similar to how most Americans won’t ever have someone build our phones and make our clothes for pennies on the dollar if it was up to us, truly. However, systemically, we will still buy all these things, that’s simply how the system is set up. If you take something like prejudice toward a race with respect to crime, or prejudice toward a gender with respect to competence, these things are happening at a level that require systems-level thinking. If you beef up certain communities with respect to opportunities, or funnel more people toward certain industries much earlier in their life, the outcomes will appear at the macro level. Once that happens, the reduction in those biases will manifest. But sitting everyone down and saying ‘let’s all sit down and do our own small little part’ will not actually solve anything. But, that is most likely the reason we (humans gonna human) are doing this. It’s a form of procrastination, let’s beat around the bush. Let’s organize our folders and sharpen our pencils, but not study for the test. Let’s buy new gym sneakers and gym outfit, and actually get a new gym membership, but never go to the gym. Oddly, it’s almost like America only does the algos part of the software interview, but never the System design part. Micro vs Macro.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > that’s simply how the system is set up. By saying this, you render everything else you have said here moot. Once you declare systemic racism as an unassailable fact, all of your reasoning is simply affirming the consequent. It’s entirely possible that racial inequity exists, and that some of it is a consequence of past and present racism, but that this does not mean that the ‘system is racist’ is a meaningful analysis.

native_samples 5y ago

Well, that's not what the study says. It says - or seems to say - that women discriminate against men but not vice versa.

blitz_skull 5y ago

How dare you suggest the problem is intrinsically in us all!

kreeben 5y ago
How dare you not try and cancel this evil person?
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Loughla 5y ago

This actually hits on an argument that I don't understand that is actively and currently happening around me. I work in a place that is currently undergoing some diversity, equity, and inclusion education for staff. One camp sees it as an attack on themselves. "I'm not racist, I can't be racist, I would never act like that." One camp sees it as an opportunity to attack others. "My experience is that people like you are racist. My experience is that people like you treat me poorly." I can't get the two parts of this argument to understand that ---literally every human stereotypes and uses those stereotypes to make decisions--- and that's okay, as long as you identify them, and work to NOT make decisions based solely on stereotypes. There is no 'good' group or 'bad' group (outside of overt racists or something like that). Everyone sucks a little, but some groups have more power to turn their suck into policy. And everyone needs to know that to be able to try to fix it.

crate_barre 5y ago
It’s fundamentally because we are trying to tackle a systemic issue (a macro level issue) at the micro level (day to day human interaction). Most people are not going to be (or even are) racist/prejudiced to each other in the day to day. Similar to how most Americans won’t ever have someone build our phones and make our clothes for pennies on the dollar if it was up to us, truly. However, systemically, we will still buy all these things, that’s simply how the system is set up. If you take something like prejudice toward a race with respect to crime, or prejudice toward a gender with respect to competence, these things are happening at a level that require systems-level thinking. If you beef up certain communities with respect to opportunities, or funnel more people toward certain industries much earlier in their life, the outcomes will appear at the macro level. Once that happens, the reduction in those biases will manifest. But sitting everyone down and saying ‘let’s all sit down and do our own small little part’ will not actually solve anything. But, that is most likely the reason we (humans gonna human) are doing this. It’s a form of procrastination, let’s beat around the bush. Let’s organize our folders and sharpen our pencils, but not study for the test. Let’s buy new gym sneakers and gym outfit, and actually get a new gym membership, but never go to the gym. Oddly, it’s almost like America only does the algos part of the software interview, but never the System design part. Micro vs Macro.
- zepto 5y ago
  > that’s simply how the system is set up. By saying this, you render everything else you have said here moot. Once you declare systemic racism as an unassailable fact, all of your reasoning is simply affirming the consequent. It’s entirely possible that racial inequity exists, and that some of it is a consequence of past and present racism, but that this does not mean that the ‘system is racist’ is a meaningful analysis.