4 ms·

There is no distinction between so called "surveillance capitalism" and the state that uses it for their purposes.

motohagiography 5y ago
Agreed, I get the sense people are still sounding it out from the bottom up, as the collusion of the state with industry to dominate a nation was the original definition of fascism. The difference from early 20th century models and later and into the new century is that both fascism and communism were mere national movements. The necessary condition for totalitarianism as described by Arendt is it was by definition not limited to or part of the mere nation state, but rather a movement that leveraged other movements to prey upon and absorb nation states under its system of dominion, using directed chaos against atomized people. This is what made totalitarianism a meta level system, and not just a left/right thing. The sufficient and necessary condition is that it aims to become post-national as a means to dissolve the nation state into atomized/neutralized individuals under totalitarian rule. (critics of both capitalism and socialism should recognize this, but if you don't, the deception is by design.) North Korea and Singapore because they are still nations are still just mere national tyrannies and surveillance states, whereas China, the US, Britain, and even to a greater extent, Australia and Canada are becoming totalitarianized because they are already the compromised vassals for a post-national movement that seeks to effectively dissolve all physical, sexual, familial, religious, tribal, regionalist, nationalist, and obviously, racist, identities. One liquid humanity under managed technocratic rule. If one is to be anti- something, anti(surveillance capitalism) is perhaps the only accurate anti-fascism of this era, as it is to be against the collusion of the state with surveillance capitalists to dominate your countries, but if you are really looking to fight the good fight of today and not baited with disctractions into relitigating ideas from 100 years ago, I would suggest turning your attention to how surveillance is used to totalitarianize nation states and dissolve them, as whether we are right or left, when we are against the anti-human deception and evils of totalitarianization, we are very much on the same team.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

Agreed, I get the sense people are still sounding it out from the bottom up, as the collusion of the state with industry to dominate a nation was the original definition of fascism. The difference from early 20th century models and later and into the new century is that both fascism and communism were mere national movements. The necessary condition for totalitarianism as described by Arendt is it was by definition not limited to or part of the mere nation state, but rather a movement that leveraged other movements to prey upon and absorb nation states under its system of dominion, using directed chaos against atomized people. This is what made totalitarianism a meta level system, and not just a left/right thing. The sufficient and necessary condition is that it aims to become post-national as a means to dissolve the nation state into atomized/neutralized individuals under totalitarian rule. (critics of both capitalism and socialism should recognize this, but if you don't, the deception is by design.) North Korea and Singapore because they are still nations are still just mere national tyrannies and surveillance states, whereas China, the US, Britain, and even to a greater extent, Australia and Canada are becoming totalitarianized because they are already the compromised vassals for a post-national movement that seeks to effectively dissolve all physical, sexual, familial, religious, tribal, regionalist, nationalist, and obviously, racist, identities. One liquid humanity under managed technocratic rule. If one is to be anti- something, anti(surveillance capitalism) is perhaps the only accurate anti-fascism of this era, as it is to be against the collusion of the state with surveillance capitalists to dominate your countries, but if you are really looking to fight the good fight of today and not baited with disctractions into relitigating ideas from 100 years ago, I would suggest turning your attention to how surveillance is used to totalitarianize nation states and dissolve them, as whether we are right or left, when we are against the anti-human deception and evils of totalitarianization, we are very much on the same team.

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]