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Apple needs to be held accountable for this, it's the only way to stop stuff like this happening. She'd never have know were she an android user. How many peopl

Apple needs to be held accountable for this, it's the only way to stop stuff like this happening. She'd never have know were she an android user. How many people has this happened to without their knowledge?

blitzar 5y ago
> Apple needs to be held accountable for this So you want to congratulate them for this I assume? As that would be the "consequence" of this event should we hold them "accountable" for the outcome.
- account-5 5y ago
  Why would I want to congratulate them? Apple are making it extremely easy for anyone to track you without your knowledge. If you're then the victim of a crime due to that as far as I'm concerned apple is complicit. I can see this harming victims of domestic violence.
  - bparrish0 5y ago
    There are many other tracking devices available. This is the only one that notifies the target. If one of those other devices had been used then this lady would have never known she was being tracked.
kgermino 5y ago
>Apple needs to be held accountable for this How? There's tons of these tracker products out there. Are we going to make the entire category illegal?
- account-5 5y ago
  There's tons of trackers that can use any nearby iPhone (one of the most popular phones in the world) to keep tabs on you? No need to GPS?
  - kgermino 5y ago
    > There's tons of trackers that can use any nearby iPhone If you're limiting the conversation to "any iPhone" then there's a few, such as the Chipolo One, which also use Apple's network. However, Samsung has a competing network which uses any nearby Samsung phone (also a popular brand, so I'm told) and Tile has a network which uses any phone that has the Tile app installed. None of these need GPS to work, though their networks will probably be smaller than Apple's in most US cities.
- notyourday 5y ago
  > How? There's tons of these tracker products out there. Are we going to make the entire category illegal? Statutory damages executed against company executives. This is quite literally the solution for every singe "corporations no longer fear anything" argument. Execute against execs. They are the ones who would be balancing their multimillion-billion dollar rewards against either criminal or civil penalties. If Apple's ( the company ) fuckups could make Mr Cook spend a weekend in Rikers next to a guy who beat up his gay roommate into pulp over $10, Apple won't ever fuck up as Mr. Cook would have all the needed motivations not to allow for it to happen.
  - kgermino 5y ago
    You want to send Tim Cook to Rikers because Apple make a legal product (which competes against other offerings by Tile and Samsung), someone used it illegally, and the victim found out thanks to countermeasures Apple voluntarily included in the - again, legal - product? I agree that we need to improve corporate accountability, but that's a bit extreme.
    - notyourday 5y ago
      The only way to counter-balance corporate lack of accountability to to change the laws to ensure that if the corporations behave badly their executives go to prison. Uber stonewalls investigations into their drivers raping customers? Dara gets dragged out of his fancy dinner into the nastiest prison we have while the case makes it through the courts. If it takes 5 years, he gets to spend those 3 years eating cheese and ham. Apple? Cook goes it. Google? Sundar. Facebook? Mark. That will immediately fix "corporate culture" as the executives will be incentivized to ensure their organization behave. This does not affect the shareholders and shareholder protection rather it should affect officers and directors of the company.
      - kgermino 5y ago
        I think you missed my point. I'm saying that holding Tim Cook accountable for this case is like sending the CEO of the Clorox Company to jail because someone put bleach in their girlfriend's drink. It's a legitimate product with legitimate uses and a lot of competitors. If you punish the CEO of the manufacturer every time someone uses their product in a crime you'll get every Fortune 500 executive in like a week.
Bud 5y ago
Could you please do 5 seconds of Googling before saying stuff like this in public? The fact is that an AirTag will start beeping after 8-24 hours if separated from its owner. So no, it's just plainly false that an Android user "would have never known". Plainly, and obviously false.
- notreallyserio 5y ago
  How often does it beep after being separated? I don't own one but I've read comments saying may be every few hours, or only on movement. Apple's site doesn't have those details. Where did you find your information?
- account-5 5y ago
  Completely besides and ignoring the point. 8 hours is ample time to find you house and either Rob it or in the case of a domestic victim something more sinister.

blitzar 5y ago

> Apple needs to be held accountable for this So you want to congratulate them for this I assume? As that would be the "consequence" of this event should we hold them "accountable" for the outcome.

account-5 5y ago
Why would I want to congratulate them? Apple are making it extremely easy for anyone to track you without your knowledge. If you're then the victim of a crime due to that as far as I'm concerned apple is complicit. I can see this harming victims of domestic violence.
- bparrish0 5y ago
  There are many other tracking devices available. This is the only one that notifies the target. If one of those other devices had been used then this lady would have never known she was being tracked.

kgermino 5y ago

>Apple needs to be held accountable for this How? There's tons of these tracker products out there. Are we going to make the entire category illegal?

account-5 5y ago
There's tons of trackers that can use any nearby iPhone (one of the most popular phones in the world) to keep tabs on you? No need to GPS?
- kgermino 5y ago
  > There's tons of trackers that can use any nearby iPhone If you're limiting the conversation to "any iPhone" then there's a few, such as the Chipolo One, which also use Apple's network. However, Samsung has a competing network which uses any nearby Samsung phone (also a popular brand, so I'm told) and Tile has a network which uses any phone that has the Tile app installed. None of these need GPS to work, though their networks will probably be smaller than Apple's in most US cities.
notyourday 5y ago
> How? There's tons of these tracker products out there. Are we going to make the entire category illegal? Statutory damages executed against company executives. This is quite literally the solution for every singe "corporations no longer fear anything" argument. Execute against execs. They are the ones who would be balancing their multimillion-billion dollar rewards against either criminal or civil penalties. If Apple's ( the company ) fuckups could make Mr Cook spend a weekend in Rikers next to a guy who beat up his gay roommate into pulp over $10, Apple won't ever fuck up as Mr. Cook would have all the needed motivations not to allow for it to happen.
- kgermino 5y ago
  You want to send Tim Cook to Rikers because Apple make a legal product (which competes against other offerings by Tile and Samsung), someone used it illegally, and the victim found out thanks to countermeasures Apple voluntarily included in the - again, legal - product? I agree that we need to improve corporate accountability, but that's a bit extreme.
  - notyourday 5y ago
    The only way to counter-balance corporate lack of accountability to to change the laws to ensure that if the corporations behave badly their executives go to prison. Uber stonewalls investigations into their drivers raping customers? Dara gets dragged out of his fancy dinner into the nastiest prison we have while the case makes it through the courts. If it takes 5 years, he gets to spend those 3 years eating cheese and ham. Apple? Cook goes it. Google? Sundar. Facebook? Mark. That will immediately fix "corporate culture" as the executives will be incentivized to ensure their organization behave. This does not affect the shareholders and shareholder protection rather it should affect officers and directors of the company.
    - kgermino 5y ago
      I think you missed my point. I'm saying that holding Tim Cook accountable for this case is like sending the CEO of the Clorox Company to jail because someone put bleach in their girlfriend's drink. It's a legitimate product with legitimate uses and a lot of competitors. If you punish the CEO of the manufacturer every time someone uses their product in a crime you'll get every Fortune 500 executive in like a week.

Bud 5y ago

Could you please do 5 seconds of Googling before saying stuff like this in public? The fact is that an AirTag will start beeping after 8-24 hours if separated from its owner. So no, it's just plainly false that an Android user "would have never known". Plainly, and obviously false.

notreallyserio 5y ago
How often does it beep after being separated? I don't own one but I've read comments saying may be every few hours, or only on movement. Apple's site doesn't have those details. Where did you find your information?
account-5 5y ago
Completely besides and ignoring the point. 8 hours is ample time to find you house and either Rob it or in the case of a domestic victim something more sinister.