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There is probably a wave of hospitalizations now like every year with the flu. When you average on a year it won't be as bad and won't justify trampling civil l

There is probably a wave of hospitalizations now like every year with the flu. When you average on a year it won't be as bad and won't justify trampling civil liberties. It's just a power grab IMHO and people are so afraid of COVID they just go along. But sadly we won't get our freedoms back once all this is over.

tzs 5y ago
A hurricane doesn't raise the average wind speed for the year at your house by much. Yet you can't ignore it. If I were to press the business end of my soldering iron onto your hand it would only raise the average amount of thermal energy that your hand absorbs this year by a negligible amount. Yet I'm pretty sure you would very strongly object. Hospitals in many areas are being overwhelmed to a far greater extent than they are in even bad flu years. When you are going to need a hospital for something in the future that you can be flexible with scheduling, then you just need a hospital that on average has enough capacity. When you need a hospital now with no flexibility in timing, all that matters is if demand now is above what the hospital can serve.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  You're right but does it justify the power grab anyway? What has been done since last year about hospitals capacity? I can tell you that in France we have less beds than last year (not sure about intensive care though) and we fired quite a lot of unvaccinated nurses.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    What you're suggesting basically comes down to mitigation, which we've been having a lot of issues with. I think what we actually need is a solution, so there's nothing left to mitigate. Imo mandatory vaccinations might be just that.
    - jmnicolas 5y ago
      The vaccine isn't efficient enough. Look at Gibraltar: 99% are vaccinated and they're still cancelling Christmas celebrations.
      - malermeister 5y ago
        Vaccination isn't a binary state. Protection wanes over time. I don't know where to get the data, but I'd guess that most people in Gibraltar have been vaccinated quite a while ago. Maybe we need tighter schedules, i.e. one shot every two months? With delta, i think that's when effectiveness starts to wane.
      - tzs 5y ago
        Gibraltar is having a case surge, but they are having almost no deaths [1]. [1] https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/gibraltar/ https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...

tzs 5y ago

A hurricane doesn't raise the average wind speed for the year at your house by much. Yet you can't ignore it. If I were to press the business end of my soldering iron onto your hand it would only raise the average amount of thermal energy that your hand absorbs this year by a negligible amount. Yet I'm pretty sure you would very strongly object. Hospitals in many areas are being overwhelmed to a far greater extent than they are in even bad flu years. When you are going to need a hospital for something in the future that you can be flexible with scheduling, then you just need a hospital that on average has enough capacity. When you need a hospital now with no flexibility in timing, all that matters is if demand now is above what the hospital can serve.

jmnicolas 5y ago
You're right but does it justify the power grab anyway? What has been done since last year about hospitals capacity? I can tell you that in France we have less beds than last year (not sure about intensive care though) and we fired quite a lot of unvaccinated nurses.
- malermeister 5y ago
  What you're suggesting basically comes down to mitigation, which we've been having a lot of issues with. I think what we actually need is a solution, so there's nothing left to mitigate. Imo mandatory vaccinations might be just that.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    The vaccine isn't efficient enough. Look at Gibraltar: 99% are vaccinated and they're still cancelling Christmas celebrations.
    - malermeister 5y ago
      Vaccination isn't a binary state. Protection wanes over time. I don't know where to get the data, but I'd guess that most people in Gibraltar have been vaccinated quite a while ago. Maybe we need tighter schedules, i.e. one shot every two months? With delta, i think that's when effectiveness starts to wane.
    - tzs 5y ago
      Gibraltar is having a case surge, but they are having almost no deaths [1]. [1] https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/gibraltar/ https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...