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Harps: A new general purpose language

15 points by UglyToad 5y ago

rp1 5y ago
Look a lot like C#, which I guess was an inspiration. What be are advantages over C#?
- qsort 5y ago
  Well, it literally is C#. It's a tongue-in-cheek parody of novelty languages, but it's describing .NET (the "two languages" it talks about are C# and F# respectively).
  - erk__ 5y ago
    That flew over my head haha
- erk__ 5y ago
  If you follow the link in the documentation it is a link to the documentation for dotnet, which is rather strange? Is this a new language for the CLR? In that case why does it not support Windows? It is also pretty interesting that it already have 1000 packages even though it is still unreleased. This page seems to not be ready for general consumption in any case
choeger 5y ago
Guys, when you do a new language, syntax is nearly completely uninteresting, because it's exchangeable. Please answer some of these questions, instead: 1. memory management strategy [x] 2. target platform [?] 3. evaluation semantics (lazy/eager) [?] 4. argument passing strategy [?] 5. if type-safe: overloading [?] 6. if type-safe: parametric polymorphism [?] 7. if type-safe: (nominal/structural) subtyping [?] 8. if type-safe: module system/language [?] 9. if compiled to machine code: separate compilation [?] 10. if compiled to machine code: ABI [?] 11. if interpreted: multi-threading capability (Ok, this one's a hit on python) [?] 12. ... I probably missed a couple of data points edit: I should have seen sooner that it is a parody, but my point still stands.
- FeepingCreature 5y ago
  Usually, the process of exchanging syntax is equivalent to "doing a new language" though.
- bluetomcat 5y ago
  13. Demonstrate pieces of code and classes of tasks where your shiny new language excels over idiomatic code in languages A/B/C, in terms of safety, readability, performance, brevity or whatever else category you consider important
- mirekrusin 5y ago
  ...unless it's a joke, like in this case where reader should guess it's just c# and 2nd mentioned dialect is f#. They forgot to mention it's open source and backed by (M).
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  But you do realize this is just a parody making fun of new languages?
  - gvx 5y ago
    It was too subtle for me too. It didn't help that I've seen new languages on here that were completely serious and much more absurd than this.
- smitty1e 5y ago
  I thought something a bit off when this purported language sprang forth fully-featured from its author's brow with all of the library support for F(M)ANG adventures.
ihnorton 5y ago
“F(M)ANG scale” is an excellent touch.
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  I also like the comment: //Summon Tony the Pony
amval 5y ago
What is the "joke" here? Making of fun of uninteresting languages with vague descriptions and lots of unsubstantiated claims? This is C# and a snippet of F# and the "docs" redirect to Dotnet docs.
dudeinjapan 5y ago
What's the joke with the name "Harps"? It's an anagram of "Sharp"?
Ciantic 5y ago
Since we are talking about C# and F# here, I wish F# was completely transformable to C# and backwards. Currently the F# has some pains in .NET ecosystem. The new C# Source Generators can't work in F# because they generate C# code. F# doesn't have partial classes, while C# has. If there were 1=1 tool to convert between F# and C# (it would not need to retain the syntax, but behavior) we could mix them in same project. That would be a dream.
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  Still, you can mix F# and C# in the same solution.
nomemory 5y ago
harps , sharps, I believe this is pure parody, right, right ?
- gvx 5y ago
  Check the source, near the bottom.
UglyToad 5y ago
This was prompted by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29228922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29228922 Since .NET 6 is so different to early .NET would it generate interest if it was rebranded?
notacoward 5y ago
> Harps is used for F(M)ANG scale web servers. O RLY? Which of those companies use it in at-scale production?
smegsicle 5y ago
> Harps' package manager, gentu Is this a reference to gentoolinux's package manager being the coolest of all packagemanagers?

15 points by UglyToad 5y ago

rp1 5y ago

Look a lot like C#, which I guess was an inspiration. What be are advantages over C#?

qsort 5y ago
Well, it literally is C#. It's a tongue-in-cheek parody of novelty languages, but it's describing .NET (the "two languages" it talks about are C# and F# respectively).
- erk__ 5y ago
  That flew over my head haha
erk__ 5y ago
If you follow the link in the documentation it is a link to the documentation for dotnet, which is rather strange? Is this a new language for the CLR? In that case why does it not support Windows? It is also pretty interesting that it already have 1000 packages even though it is still unreleased. This page seems to not be ready for general consumption in any case

choeger 5y ago

Guys, when you do a new language, syntax is nearly completely uninteresting, because it's exchangeable. Please answer some of these questions, instead: 1. memory management strategy [x] 2. target platform [?] 3. evaluation semantics (lazy/eager) [?] 4. argument passing strategy [?] 5. if type-safe: overloading [?] 6. if type-safe: parametric polymorphism [?] 7. if type-safe: (nominal/structural) subtyping [?] 8. if type-safe: module system/language [?] 9. if compiled to machine code: separate compilation [?] 10. if compiled to machine code: ABI [?] 11. if interpreted: multi-threading capability (Ok, this one's a hit on python) [?] 12. ... I probably missed a couple of data points edit: I should have seen sooner that it is a parody, but my point still stands.

FeepingCreature 5y ago
Usually, the process of exchanging syntax is equivalent to "doing a new language" though.
bluetomcat 5y ago
13. Demonstrate pieces of code and classes of tasks where your shiny new language excels over idiomatic code in languages A/B/C, in terms of safety, readability, performance, brevity or whatever else category you consider important
mirekrusin 5y ago
...unless it's a joke, like in this case where reader should guess it's just c# and 2nd mentioned dialect is f#. They forgot to mention it's open source and backed by (M).
DeathArrow 5y ago
But you do realize this is just a parody making fun of new languages?
- gvx 5y ago
  It was too subtle for me too. It didn't help that I've seen new languages on here that were completely serious and much more absurd than this.
smitty1e 5y ago
I thought something a bit off when this purported language sprang forth fully-featured from its author's brow with all of the library support for F(M)ANG adventures.

ihnorton 5y ago

“F(M)ANG scale” is an excellent touch.

DeathArrow 5y ago
I also like the comment: //Summon Tony the Pony

amval 5y ago

What is the "joke" here? Making of fun of uninteresting languages with vague descriptions and lots of unsubstantiated claims? This is C# and a snippet of F# and the "docs" redirect to Dotnet docs.

dudeinjapan 5y ago

What's the joke with the name "Harps"? It's an anagram of "Sharp"?

Ciantic 5y ago

Since we are talking about C# and F# here, I wish F# was completely transformable to C# and backwards. Currently the F# has some pains in .NET ecosystem. The new C# Source Generators can't work in F# because they generate C# code. F# doesn't have partial classes, while C# has. If there were 1=1 tool to convert between F# and C# (it would not need to retain the syntax, but behavior) we could mix them in same project. That would be a dream.

DeathArrow 5y ago
Still, you can mix F# and C# in the same solution.

nomemory 5y ago

harps , sharps, I believe this is pure parody, right, right ?

gvx 5y ago
Check the source, near the bottom.

UglyToad 5y ago

This was prompted by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29228922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29228922 Since .NET 6 is so different to early .NET would it generate interest if it was rebranded?

notacoward 5y ago

> Harps is used for F(M)ANG scale web servers. O RLY? Which of those companies use it in at-scale production?

smegsicle 5y ago

> Harps' package manager, gentu Is this a reference to gentoolinux's package manager being the coolest of all packagemanagers?