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I guess now you mention it, needing a yellow fever jab to enter Outer Mongolia is a precedent. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Any seatbelt analogies for

I guess now you mention it, needing a yellow fever jab to enter Outer Mongolia is a precedent. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Any seatbelt analogies for us too?

roenxi 5y ago
Abortion would be the closer analogy. Also seatbelts don't require the sort of tracking infrastructure that a vaccine mandate requires. If the plan is a mandate with no tracking then that would be in the realm of comfortable precedent for me. But the experience so far in Australia (not Austria!) is that vaccine mandates are the most invasive privacy violation that the government has ever implemented.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > Abortion would be the closer analogy. Are abortions infectious now? I don't know how Australia does it, but the EU green pass isn't and can't really be used for tracking at a big scale. Anyone can implement a reader for the QR codes, and the official ones are open source and just check the validity. And why would any government need to store that information when they can just ask Google and Apple for location data?
  - roenxi 5y ago
    The argument for vaccinations and against abortions is it is protecting the lives of other humans. Same class of ideas. Seatbelts don't protect other people. In Australia we have to be able to prove we are vaccinated to take part in civic life, including visiting friends. It is a concerning new assault on basic civil liberties.
- soco 5y ago
  I thought to go to school you had to be vaccinated, even in Australia.
  - roenxi 5y ago
    I happen to be double-vaccinated; but being a rebel I went to have a cafe breakfast a few weeks ago without the appropriate paperwork. The waiter didn't feel like making a fuss so I got to eat. Being ejected, fined and/or arrested for not having the correct paperwork to have breakfast is not a situation that has ever come up for me before. This is different from in-school vaccinations.
    - soco 5y ago
      Of curse it's different, for one you're (already) vaccinated and for the other not. But what would have happened if you (or your parents) refused the school vaccinations?

I guess now you mention it, needing a yellow fever jab to enter Outer Mongolia is a precedent. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Any seatbelt analogies for us too?

roenxi 5y ago

Abortion would be the closer analogy. Also seatbelts don't require the sort of tracking infrastructure that a vaccine mandate requires. If the plan is a mandate with no tracking then that would be in the realm of comfortable precedent for me. But the experience so far in Australia (not Austria!) is that vaccine mandates are the most invasive privacy violation that the government has ever implemented.

sofixa 5y ago
> Abortion would be the closer analogy. Are abortions infectious now? I don't know how Australia does it, but the EU green pass isn't and can't really be used for tracking at a big scale. Anyone can implement a reader for the QR codes, and the official ones are open source and just check the validity. And why would any government need to store that information when they can just ask Google and Apple for location data?
- roenxi 5y ago
  The argument for vaccinations and against abortions is it is protecting the lives of other humans. Same class of ideas. Seatbelts don't protect other people. In Australia we have to be able to prove we are vaccinated to take part in civic life, including visiting friends. It is a concerning new assault on basic civil liberties.
soco 5y ago
I thought to go to school you had to be vaccinated, even in Australia.
- roenxi 5y ago
  I happen to be double-vaccinated; but being a rebel I went to have a cafe breakfast a few weeks ago without the appropriate paperwork. The waiter didn't feel like making a fuss so I got to eat. Being ejected, fined and/or arrested for not having the correct paperwork to have breakfast is not a situation that has ever come up for me before. This is different from in-school vaccinations.
  - soco 5y ago
    Of curse it's different, for one you're (already) vaccinated and for the other not. But what would have happened if you (or your parents) refused the school vaccinations?