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Interesting, going off the Consumers Report site, if Telsa only made the Model 3, then they'd be 11th on the list and just one point behind Mini. It just seems

Interesting, going off the Consumers Report site, if Telsa only made the Model 3, then they'd be 11th on the list and just one point behind Mini. It just seems every other model will break apart in a stiff wind. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... (You have to click on 'Tesla' to see the breakdown)

KennyBlanken 5y ago
Here's a fun fact about the Model 3: the interior design is so incompetent, you can destroy the window if you open a door "wrong." https://youtu.be/14ZYknJQ8F0?t=35 https://youtu.be/14ZYknJQ8F0?t=35 TLDR: the frameless window "tucks in" under the trim of the roof/roof pillar and car has to drop the window slightly before it releases the latch. In case of failure of any of the stuff necessary for that to happen (and there are a lot of things necessary for that to happen), there is an emergency exit lever. Which shatters the window. The lever which shatters the window looks pretty much like what any reasonable person would think is an oddly-placed door lever - right at the base of the interior door handle. The mind boggles.
- Doxin 5y ago
  The youtube comments suggest that a software update fixed this issue somehow. If someone could explain to me how that could possibly work that'd be nice. Surely that handle is connected directly to the door mechanism?
  - Traubenfuchs 5y ago
    Maybe active power can prevent that physical switch from being fully pulled until the car drops the window a little bit, when it detects one starts pulling it. This would probably take less then a second.
    - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
      Isn't the point of the lever that you need to be able to exit when the electrics have failed.
  - waiseristy 5y ago
    As long as you’re not heaving against the door as you open the latch the window will retract in time. If the battery went stone cold dead, you’d have to break the glass. But you would also have to do the same thing with every single other car with frameless windows
    - culopatin 5y ago
      Do you? My Miata doesn’t have that problem, the window just rests against the rubber, doesn’t tuck under it. However, I now understand why it is so noisy lol
      - waiseristy 5y ago
        Didn't know that! The cars I've owned with frameless windows, the glass tucks under piece of trim. Makes sense that the miata design is a little noisy!
    - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
      What about a car without frameless windows (IE, most cars) ?
      - waiseristy 5y ago
        Then none of this would be a problem. The issue is that frameless windows usually need electricity to operate
    - Doxin 5y ago
      That still sounds somewhat suboptimal, but a lot better than smashing the window 100% of the time you pull that lever for sure.
- wcoenen 5y ago
  For what it is worth: I don't own a Tesla but I've accidentally used that lever when I was in one. It did not shatter the window. It only triggered a warning on the display about not opening the door that way because it could cause damage.
  - culopatin 5y ago
    I used a Model 3 a few times and I could never figure out how to open the door in any other way. The first thing I think as a normal human is: To open a door, you normally pull a latch, oh here it is. Then the car yells at you but it spends more time telling you about the risks of what you’re doing wrong, instead it should immediately show a little animation of what I should be doing instead. That or make the latch 2 step.First step is normal operation, if that fails then continue pulling and it forces the manual opening.
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      The AI predicts when you would like to get out and opens the door for you /s
  - gwern 5y ago
    "It only triggered a warning on the display about not opening the door that way because it could cause damage." That makes me think worse of the design, not better, that it is so common but they chose to patch around it with a user nag instead of fixing the design.
- lordloki 5y ago
  So another interesting second level problem with this is that if the window motor or mechanism fails, you can't use the door at all. I have had window mechanisms fail and had to pop the cover off the door to get it back into place, but in this case you can't get the door open to get in there without breaking the window. So as far as I can tell if the window motor or mechanism fails, you will lose the window if you ever want to use the door again.
  - w0m 5y ago
    It's a much higher risk of damaging the trim than breaking the window; and not a guaranteed-damage either. A problem for sure, but not a 'you will lose the window if you ever want to use the door again' problem.
- w0m 5y ago
  > The mind boggles. This has been ~true of every frame-less window for decades; this isn't a new thing.

KennyBlanken 5y ago

Here's a fun fact about the Model 3: the interior design is so incompetent, you can destroy the window if you open a door "wrong." https://youtu.be/14ZYknJQ8F0?t=35 https://youtu.be/14ZYknJQ8F0?t=35 TLDR: the frameless window "tucks in" under the trim of the roof/roof pillar and car has to drop the window slightly before it releases the latch. In case of failure of any of the stuff necessary for that to happen (and there are a lot of things necessary for that to happen), there is an emergency exit lever. Which shatters the window. The lever which shatters the window looks pretty much like what any reasonable person would think is an oddly-placed door lever - right at the base of the interior door handle. The mind boggles.

Doxin 5y ago
The youtube comments suggest that a software update fixed this issue somehow. If someone could explain to me how that could possibly work that'd be nice. Surely that handle is connected directly to the door mechanism?
- Traubenfuchs 5y ago
  Maybe active power can prevent that physical switch from being fully pulled until the car drops the window a little bit, when it detects one starts pulling it. This would probably take less then a second.
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    Isn't the point of the lever that you need to be able to exit when the electrics have failed.
- waiseristy 5y ago
  As long as you’re not heaving against the door as you open the latch the window will retract in time. If the battery went stone cold dead, you’d have to break the glass. But you would also have to do the same thing with every single other car with frameless windows
  - culopatin 5y ago
    Do you? My Miata doesn’t have that problem, the window just rests against the rubber, doesn’t tuck under it. However, I now understand why it is so noisy lol
    - waiseristy 5y ago
      Didn't know that! The cars I've owned with frameless windows, the glass tucks under piece of trim. Makes sense that the miata design is a little noisy!
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    What about a car without frameless windows (IE, most cars) ?
    - waiseristy 5y ago
      Then none of this would be a problem. The issue is that frameless windows usually need electricity to operate
  - Doxin 5y ago
    That still sounds somewhat suboptimal, but a lot better than smashing the window 100% of the time you pull that lever for sure.
wcoenen 5y ago
For what it is worth: I don't own a Tesla but I've accidentally used that lever when I was in one. It did not shatter the window. It only triggered a warning on the display about not opening the door that way because it could cause damage.
- culopatin 5y ago
  I used a Model 3 a few times and I could never figure out how to open the door in any other way. The first thing I think as a normal human is: To open a door, you normally pull a latch, oh here it is. Then the car yells at you but it spends more time telling you about the risks of what you’re doing wrong, instead it should immediately show a little animation of what I should be doing instead. That or make the latch 2 step.First step is normal operation, if that fails then continue pulling and it forces the manual opening.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    The AI predicts when you would like to get out and opens the door for you /s
- gwern 5y ago
  "It only triggered a warning on the display about not opening the door that way because it could cause damage." That makes me think worse of the design, not better, that it is so common but they chose to patch around it with a user nag instead of fixing the design.
lordloki 5y ago
So another interesting second level problem with this is that if the window motor or mechanism fails, you can't use the door at all. I have had window mechanisms fail and had to pop the cover off the door to get it back into place, but in this case you can't get the door open to get in there without breaking the window. So as far as I can tell if the window motor or mechanism fails, you will lose the window if you ever want to use the door again.
- w0m 5y ago
  It's a much higher risk of damaging the trim than breaking the window; and not a guaranteed-damage either. A problem for sure, but not a 'you will lose the window if you ever want to use the door again' problem.
w0m 5y ago
> The mind boggles. This has been ~true of every frame-less window for decades; this isn't a new thing.