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The price for IPv4 addresses is up about 400% in the last 18 months or so. Freshly available addresses would be very welcome.

foobiekr 5y ago
These prefixes would mostly not work, however, so will not solve the problem. This smells of engineers saying “why not just do Y so we get X?” without realizing that in the real world, X is not an achievable state.
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  This illustrates as I've said how out of touch IPv6 folks are. The demand for IPv4 is incredible right now. The value of a /8 went from $0 to close to a billion dollars. The claim that new IPv4 space has no value is ridiculous. These ranges don't have to be perfect. I think IPv6 folks just don't understand how high the demand for IPv4 is, it's gone UP since IPv6 came out and folks have realized IPv6 is going to be much much harder to adopt then expected. And this proposal does nothing to stop IPv6. You know your IPv6 proposal is bad when it depends on stopping others from improving alternatives :)
  - kazen44 5y ago
    > The claim that new IPv4 space has no value is ridiculous. These ranges don't have to be perfect. yes, they do have to be perfect, because having a range which is not usuable by a part of the networks and devices that make up the internet drastically decreases their value. The reason IPv4 space is so valuable is because migrating to ipv6 still has a higher friction then ponying up money for additional ipv4 space. It will be a matter of time before this changes and implementing ipv6 is far easier in comparison.
  - mentalpiracy 5y ago
    The amount of money this IPv4 space is valued at now - while astronomical in comparison to past pricing, sure - might as well be $0 when you compare it to the colossal expenses in both funds and manpower to update literally decades of now-critical infrastructure that treated this address space as sacred. Galaxy brain magnitude of difference here. This analysis strikes me as exactly the same type of MBA-rot that chases quarterly earning reports over long-term business health. This sale benefits, in real terms, zero people, while imposing costs on almost every single existing user (whether they realize it or not).
throw0101a 5y ago
Out of curiosity, where are you finding these prices? (I know there are "brokers" (?), just haven't used them, so not sure if some are better than others.)

foobiekr 5y ago

These prefixes would mostly not work, however, so will not solve the problem. This smells of engineers saying “why not just do Y so we get X?” without realizing that in the real world, X is not an achievable state.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
This illustrates as I've said how out of touch IPv6 folks are. The demand for IPv4 is incredible right now. The value of a /8 went from $0 to close to a billion dollars. The claim that new IPv4 space has no value is ridiculous. These ranges don't have to be perfect. I think IPv6 folks just don't understand how high the demand for IPv4 is, it's gone UP since IPv6 came out and folks have realized IPv6 is going to be much much harder to adopt then expected. And this proposal does nothing to stop IPv6. You know your IPv6 proposal is bad when it depends on stopping others from improving alternatives :)
- kazen44 5y ago
  > The claim that new IPv4 space has no value is ridiculous. These ranges don't have to be perfect. yes, they do have to be perfect, because having a range which is not usuable by a part of the networks and devices that make up the internet drastically decreases their value. The reason IPv4 space is so valuable is because migrating to ipv6 still has a higher friction then ponying up money for additional ipv4 space. It will be a matter of time before this changes and implementing ipv6 is far easier in comparison.
- mentalpiracy 5y ago
  The amount of money this IPv4 space is valued at now - while astronomical in comparison to past pricing, sure - might as well be $0 when you compare it to the colossal expenses in both funds and manpower to update literally decades of now-critical infrastructure that treated this address space as sacred. Galaxy brain magnitude of difference here. This analysis strikes me as exactly the same type of MBA-rot that chases quarterly earning reports over long-term business health. This sale benefits, in real terms, zero people, while imposing costs on almost every single existing user (whether they realize it or not).

throw0101a 5y ago

Out of curiosity, where are you finding these prices? (I know there are "brokers" (?), just haven't used them, so not sure if some are better than others.)