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And dumb messaging such as telling people masks are ineffective and shouldn’t be worn by ordinary people. I hope the important stuff is handled with more consi

by zzt123 5y ago

And dumb messaging such as telling people masks are ineffective and shouldn’t be worn by ordinary people. I hope the important stuff is handled with more consideration than the way the pandemic has been handled. Specifically, hopefully the Fed knows what they are doing with this grand experiment that has been ongoing.

Eelongate 5y ago
I'm starting to get a sinking feeling in my gut that much of our modern society is a house of cards built out of people hoping nobody else notices they have no clue what they're doing. I know competent people exist.. but how many are in the positions that really matter? How many of our intuitions are held aloft by loony-toons inertial, like a coyote who ran off a cliff and hasn't looked down yet?
- noduerme 5y ago
  Was it ever not? Ineptitude and deferred consequences for laziness/stupidity have been baked into every society since anonymous caveman dropped a deuce in the water hole. On the upside, we've gotten a lot better at getting to the root causes of disasters more quickly - and at least outside of authoritarian states, people are allowed to inform one another of the causes and effects of mismanagement.
Consultant32452 5y ago
Can you find a public health official that has been willing to, on the record, give an approximate % of disease spread the typical cloth mask is preventing? I've seen individual studies with varying numbers, but have never seen an actual high level public official make a concrete statement. The people running the Fed are some of the best educated and most experienced people on the planet in this area. There is little doubt they know what they're doing. The bigger question is whether it's in your best interest.
- Reuzel 5y ago
  Here is a public health official (Surgeon General of the United States) saying quite as much as OP was saying: Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our community at risk! > There is little doubt they know what they're doing. The bigger question is whether it's in your best interest. They knew what they were doing. But they did not know what they were doing. By not being honest and showing leadership, by politicizing science into scientism, by covering their asses for not buying enough PPE for the medics and soldiers, they heavily reduced trust in public institutions, and had to deal with the PR backlash of reversing an official stance mid-Pandemic, while whining about lab-leak "disinformation". Definitely not in our best interest. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210720/ex-surgeon-general--says-cdc-mask-guidance-may-be-wrong https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210720/ex-surgeon-general-... Same general was made aware by email (FOIA released) two weeks before taking to Twitter to complain about people wearing masks in an airplane, and that the real risk is the flu. Probably did not read it. The ones who did, got sidetracked by Trump, and warned their friends to wear masks and avoid cities, days before even notifying the public of the "potential" for community spread... but let's not assume evil, where no-skin-in-the-game suffices (who ever got real consequences for wrong or dumb stuff on pandemics, before 2020? You could grow solely through Powerpoints and grants and Nature articles.
  - Consultant32452 5y ago
    Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm aware public health officials flipped the script on masks. Can you find ANY example of a public health official publicly stating how effective cloth masks are? Not that they ARE effective, but HOW effective? As in how much disease spread is prevented from wearing cloth masks. I believe you will not be able to find any record of a public health official making a claim like "Wearing cloth masks reduces COVID spread by approximately X%." My hypothesis for why you won't find this is because the % is extremely low, in the < 5% range.
    - Reuzel 5y ago
swiley 5y ago
>I hope the important stuff is handled with more consideration "If only you knew how bad things really are."

by zzt123 5y ago

Eelongate 5y ago

I'm starting to get a sinking feeling in my gut that much of our modern society is a house of cards built out of people hoping nobody else notices they have no clue what they're doing. I know competent people exist.. but how many are in the positions that really matter? How many of our intuitions are held aloft by loony-toons inertial, like a coyote who ran off a cliff and hasn't looked down yet?

noduerme 5y ago
Was it ever not? Ineptitude and deferred consequences for laziness/stupidity have been baked into every society since anonymous caveman dropped a deuce in the water hole. On the upside, we've gotten a lot better at getting to the root causes of disasters more quickly - and at least outside of authoritarian states, people are allowed to inform one another of the causes and effects of mismanagement.

Consultant32452 5y ago

Can you find a public health official that has been willing to, on the record, give an approximate % of disease spread the typical cloth mask is preventing? I've seen individual studies with varying numbers, but have never seen an actual high level public official make a concrete statement. The people running the Fed are some of the best educated and most experienced people on the planet in this area. There is little doubt they know what they're doing. The bigger question is whether it's in your best interest.

Reuzel 5y ago
Here is a public health official (Surgeon General of the United States) saying quite as much as OP was saying: Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our community at risk! > There is little doubt they know what they're doing. The bigger question is whether it's in your best interest. They knew what they were doing. But they did not know what they were doing. By not being honest and showing leadership, by politicizing science into scientism, by covering their asses for not buying enough PPE for the medics and soldiers, they heavily reduced trust in public institutions, and had to deal with the PR backlash of reversing an official stance mid-Pandemic, while whining about lab-leak "disinformation". Definitely not in our best interest. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210720/ex-surgeon-general--says-cdc-mask-guidance-may-be-wrong https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210720/ex-surgeon-general-... Same general was made aware by email (FOIA released) two weeks before taking to Twitter to complain about people wearing masks in an airplane, and that the real risk is the flu. Probably did not read it. The ones who did, got sidetracked by Trump, and warned their friends to wear masks and avoid cities, days before even notifying the public of the "potential" for community spread... but let's not assume evil, where no-skin-in-the-game suffices (who ever got real consequences for wrong or dumb stuff on pandemics, before 2020? You could grow solely through Powerpoints and grants and Nature articles.
- Consultant32452 5y ago
  Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm aware public health officials flipped the script on masks. Can you find ANY example of a public health official publicly stating how effective cloth masks are? Not that they ARE effective, but HOW effective? As in how much disease spread is prevented from wearing cloth masks. I believe you will not be able to find any record of a public health official making a claim like "Wearing cloth masks reduces COVID spread by approximately X%." My hypothesis for why you won't find this is because the % is extremely low, in the < 5% range.
  - Reuzel 5y ago

swiley 5y ago

>I hope the important stuff is handled with more consideration "If only you knew how bad things really are."