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And if California had the same death rate as Florida, there'd be an additional 40k dead people. These things aren't remotely symmetrical and it's such a disserv

And if California had the same death rate as Florida, there'd be an additional 40k dead people. These things aren't remotely symmetrical and it's such a disservice to pretend like "both sides are bad".

refurb 5y ago
Florida has a much older population so you’d need to adjust for that. Plus Florida has moved on since 8 months ago. No everything is measured in only covid deaths.
- gowld 5y ago
  Moved on what? FL had record breaking deaths 2 months ago.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Moved on from restrictions. Accepted that Covid is never going away and putting life on hold isn't a good trade off.
khazhoux 5y ago
If you re-read my post above though, I'm not saying they're symmetrical. But to me it's striking that one state put in severe restrictions on business/etc for over a year, and the other state just pretended there was no pandemic, and yet California's did not even halve the case/death rates compared to Florida (per capita). So the question California dares not ask itself is: were all the restrictions actually necessary? Maybe small businesses could have been allowed to open sooner with a mask + ventilation requirement, for example. Or maybe a single, uniform policy did not make sense for the enormously-varied state. But you can't ask those questions.
- gopher_space 5y ago
  I'll never understand the business before lives mindset.
  - rvba 5y ago
    Most people talk about excessive deaths, but nobody talks about a reduction of births. How many children were never conceived since their parents were out of work, or unsure about the future?
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  - refurb 5y ago
    What do you think pays for welfare, healthcare, food? The Grenadier Guard?
- jquery 5y ago
  If you look at California on a county-by-county basis the restrictions definitely did halve the death rate (and beyond). The counties in California that behaved more like Florida were rewarded with a great deal more death. San Francisco, which had not only tough restrictions but high compliance, had the lowest Covid-19 death rate of any metro in the country.

refurb 5y ago

Florida has a much older population so you’d need to adjust for that. Plus Florida has moved on since 8 months ago. No everything is measured in only covid deaths.

gowld 5y ago
Moved on what? FL had record breaking deaths 2 months ago.
- refurb 5y ago
  Moved on from restrictions. Accepted that Covid is never going away and putting life on hold isn't a good trade off.

khazhoux 5y ago

If you re-read my post above though, I'm not saying they're symmetrical. But to me it's striking that one state put in severe restrictions on business/etc for over a year, and the other state just pretended there was no pandemic, and yet California's did not even halve the case/death rates compared to Florida (per capita). So the question California dares not ask itself is: were all the restrictions actually necessary? Maybe small businesses could have been allowed to open sooner with a mask + ventilation requirement, for example. Or maybe a single, uniform policy did not make sense for the enormously-varied state. But you can't ask those questions.

gopher_space 5y ago
I'll never understand the business before lives mindset.
- rvba 5y ago
  Most people talk about excessive deaths, but nobody talks about a reduction of births. How many children were never conceived since their parents were out of work, or unsure about the future?
  - deleted 5y ago
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- refurb 5y ago
  What do you think pays for welfare, healthcare, food? The Grenadier Guard?
jquery 5y ago
If you look at California on a county-by-county basis the restrictions definitely did halve the death rate (and beyond). The counties in California that behaved more like Florida were rewarded with a great deal more death. San Francisco, which had not only tough restrictions but high compliance, had the lowest Covid-19 death rate of any metro in the country.