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Legitimate question to the folks on here that are defending this guy: What are your thoughts on this guy’s (thoroughly spelled out) views regarding race and int

Legitimate question to the folks on here that are defending this guy: What are your thoughts on this guy’s (thoroughly spelled out) views regarding race and intelligence? I’ll start: I think his opinions are wrong and bad, and I sincerely doubt that the people that take issue with him do so explicitly because of what to place in 2017. This strikes me as a deliberate misdirect to enable his victimhood. And to answer his question: “What do you want from me?” Answer: “Nothing. I want nothing at all from you. I want to stop hearing racist dogwhistle bullshit from big publications (even if the racist dog whistle bullshit is written by somebody that suffers from mental health issues.) My issue isn’t with you, it’s with the folks that pay you. Will I go out of my way to undermine your career? No. I will probably not think of the Poor Abused Race Scientist ever again after today, but should I somehow come across your writings on the future, I’ll decline to read it. It’s kind of sad that you view this opinion as some sort of hate crime, but that’s not my problem.”

ineptech 5y ago
My thoughts on the whole race/IQ debate: it's more or less a perma-banned topic on most forums where constructive debate takes place, and your comment is an excellent example of why.
- newbie789 5y ago
  Sorry, I’m genuinely confused here. I asked his defenders if they support his views on race science, and brought up the possibility that people dislike him for reasons other than the 2017 event. Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work because… why? Edit: It’s kind of hard not to interpret your post as “I believe in race science and it makes me uncomfortable to be asked a question like that so plainly, so I will fall back on calling you rude.”
  - ineptech 5y ago
    > Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work No, just that one topic. It has this uncanny ability to produce unconstructive discussions where people talk past each other and accuse each other of all manner of things they didn't say...
    - newbie789 5y ago
      Rather than answering the question about your opinion about “the whole race/IQ debate” (your words), you’re going out of your way to… what? Admonish me for being rude for bringing up the literal topic at hand (a public writer and possible reasons why he would have negative attention)? Also, I don’t think “the whole race/IQ debate” is a real thing that people engage in for germane reasons, so you didn’t do a stellar job not answering the question :)
      - ineptech 5y ago
        I didn't admonish you, I explained why you were getting downvoted and flagged. And you told me I was racist. What more is there to say?
        newbie789 5y ago
        That’s fascinating because I didn’t ask why I’m getting downvoted, thanks for the uh, friendly unrequested… help with… internet points? It’s fascinating that you cannot actually respond to my original post at all, yet are compelled to post nonetheless. I admire your sense of civic duty, because it’s definitely not some silly nonsense meant to avoid discussing the subject matter that I’ve brought up in order to carry water for an apparently quite-popular race scientist. Let’s try a fun experiment: Can you respond to this question?: “Considering the fact that the guy that’s whining about not being liked enough happens to write about race science, do you think maybe that that could contribute to people not liking him?” To clarify, it’s a yes or no question as to whether or not you’re capable of answering that question in the negative or affirmative. Also I didn’t call you a racist, I implied that you may (for a kaleidoscope’s worth of possible reasons) be going out of your way defending one. There are plenty of reasons that people carry water for racist kooks that don’t involve being in the club! I’m not sure what you’ve gotten from this interaction aside from maybe scoring points with some folks that don’t take issue with race science. Not everybody is a full blown racist, there are also enthusiastic lackeys for those that are. There are people that will defend horrible shit because it makes them look cool in their social groups, hoping to gain points with folks that will literally never notice them, for example.
lazyasciiart 5y ago
I could not disagree with his opinions more. I think it's perfectly reasonable for him not to want people to pass around stories of what he did when psychotic, I also think that plenty of people may not take issue with him because of this bipolar episode, but that they are willing to use it in an effort to discredit him. I also think that you are unreasonably dismissing the possibility that people take issues with him for reasons other than his opinions. Your contributions in this thread seem to argue that one can either think his mental illness is a cunning distraction and irrelevant because he is such a bad person OR his opinions are good. It is a bad argument.
- newbie789 5y ago
  Wait. What? He publicly holds very polarizing (and ridiculous) views on issues that directly affect people’s day to day lives, but I’m not thinking straight because I don’t immediately buy the idea that he’s _just_ being bullied for other reasons? Maybe folks that he victimized during his psychotic break could also hate him for his opinions, but that’s not really a possibility that he mentions. The tone of good article is such that he implies that the main thing that contributes to people not wanting to consume his writing is a singular event 4 years ago. People seem really averse to admitting that maybe, as a human being, he’s not only a victim of bullying from an old event, but also just experiencing the predictable professional fallout from having ghoulish ideals and peddling truly harmful nonsense. Or am I supposed to care more about the arbitrary, possibly imagined bullying than the plain-as-day “yeah I can see why folks would hate this guy” thought that occurred to me as soon as I read his stuff? This whole blog post is a petulant child stamping his feet and crying out that it’s unfair that he’s not as well liked as he feels entitled to be. Sorry if that’s not something that I feel overwhelmed with the urge to capitulate to.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    > This whole blog post is a petulant child stamping his feet and crying out that it’s unfair that he’s not as well liked as he feels entitled to be. Did we read the same post? I see someone acknowledging that there are real and valid reasons to dislike him. The main thrust is a request for accuracy when spreading information about those reasons.

ineptech 5y ago

My thoughts on the whole race/IQ debate: it's more or less a perma-banned topic on most forums where constructive debate takes place, and your comment is an excellent example of why.

newbie789 5y ago
Sorry, I’m genuinely confused here. I asked his defenders if they support his views on race science, and brought up the possibility that people dislike him for reasons other than the 2017 event. Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work because… why? Edit: It’s kind of hard not to interpret your post as “I believe in race science and it makes me uncomfortable to be asked a question like that so plainly, so I will fall back on calling you rude.”
- ineptech 5y ago
  > Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work No, just that one topic. It has this uncanny ability to produce unconstructive discussions where people talk past each other and accuse each other of all manner of things they didn't say...
  - newbie789 5y ago
    Rather than answering the question about your opinion about “the whole race/IQ debate” (your words), you’re going out of your way to… what? Admonish me for being rude for bringing up the literal topic at hand (a public writer and possible reasons why he would have negative attention)? Also, I don’t think “the whole race/IQ debate” is a real thing that people engage in for germane reasons, so you didn’t do a stellar job not answering the question :)
    - ineptech 5y ago
      I didn't admonish you, I explained why you were getting downvoted and flagged. And you told me I was racist. What more is there to say?
      - newbie789 5y ago
        That’s fascinating because I didn’t ask why I’m getting downvoted, thanks for the uh, friendly unrequested… help with… internet points? It’s fascinating that you cannot actually respond to my original post at all, yet are compelled to post nonetheless. I admire your sense of civic duty, because it’s definitely not some silly nonsense meant to avoid discussing the subject matter that I’ve brought up in order to carry water for an apparently quite-popular race scientist. Let’s try a fun experiment: Can you respond to this question?: “Considering the fact that the guy that’s whining about not being liked enough happens to write about race science, do you think maybe that that could contribute to people not liking him?” To clarify, it’s a yes or no question as to whether or not you’re capable of answering that question in the negative or affirmative. Also I didn’t call you a racist, I implied that you may (for a kaleidoscope’s worth of possible reasons) be going out of your way defending one. There are plenty of reasons that people carry water for racist kooks that don’t involve being in the club! I’m not sure what you’ve gotten from this interaction aside from maybe scoring points with some folks that don’t take issue with race science. Not everybody is a full blown racist, there are also enthusiastic lackeys for those that are. There are people that will defend horrible shit because it makes them look cool in their social groups, hoping to gain points with folks that will literally never notice them, for example.

lazyasciiart 5y ago

I could not disagree with his opinions more. I think it's perfectly reasonable for him not to want people to pass around stories of what he did when psychotic, I also think that plenty of people may not take issue with him because of this bipolar episode, but that they are willing to use it in an effort to discredit him. I also think that you are unreasonably dismissing the possibility that people take issues with him for reasons other than his opinions. Your contributions in this thread seem to argue that one can either think his mental illness is a cunning distraction and irrelevant because he is such a bad person OR his opinions are good. It is a bad argument.

newbie789 5y ago
Wait. What? He publicly holds very polarizing (and ridiculous) views on issues that directly affect people’s day to day lives, but I’m not thinking straight because I don’t immediately buy the idea that he’s _just_ being bullied for other reasons? Maybe folks that he victimized during his psychotic break could also hate him for his opinions, but that’s not really a possibility that he mentions. The tone of good article is such that he implies that the main thing that contributes to people not wanting to consume his writing is a singular event 4 years ago. People seem really averse to admitting that maybe, as a human being, he’s not only a victim of bullying from an old event, but also just experiencing the predictable professional fallout from having ghoulish ideals and peddling truly harmful nonsense. Or am I supposed to care more about the arbitrary, possibly imagined bullying than the plain-as-day “yeah I can see why folks would hate this guy” thought that occurred to me as soon as I read his stuff? This whole blog post is a petulant child stamping his feet and crying out that it’s unfair that he’s not as well liked as he feels entitled to be. Sorry if that’s not something that I feel overwhelmed with the urge to capitulate to.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  > This whole blog post is a petulant child stamping his feet and crying out that it’s unfair that he’s not as well liked as he feels entitled to be. Did we read the same post? I see someone acknowledging that there are real and valid reasons to dislike him. The main thrust is a request for accuracy when spreading information about those reasons.