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It doesn't take that much. If you're good enough at DNA build from oligos, could probably synthesize it with less than a PhD. It is expensive though, and very u
by koeng 5y ago
It doesn't take that much. If you're good enough at DNA build from oligos, could probably synthesize it with less than a PhD. It is expensive though, and very unlikely that anyone would actually do it in a way that evades the surveillance systems.
- Teever 5y agoCan you tell a layman more about these surveillance systems?
- molbioguy 5y agoCommercial oligonucleotide synthesis companies will check sequences submitted to them against databases of 'dangerous' or regulated sequences. Flagged sequences won't be synthesized. This was designed to prevent someone from ordering parts of a dangererous virus sequence for assembly of the complete virus.
- the8472 5y agoAre the machines themselves treated like nuclear proliferation/dual use tech?
- Teever 5y agoAnd if they are the next logical question is 'are the machines that make the machines themselves treated like like nuclear proliferation/dual use tech?'
- Teever 5y agoI've assumed as much. I've also wondered if there is some sort ability to order innocuous sequence A from company a, innocuous sequence B from company b and then in the privacy of your own lab do the DNA synthesis equivalent of A xor B to get dangerous sequence C.
- molbioguy 5y agoI think it would be hard to get all the required fragments without raising red flags. There aren't that many synthesis companies and it would take a lot of fragments. Assuming you could get the fragments, its getting easier to assemble (join) them quickly. A 40000 base pair T7 bacteriophage genome was recently assembled from 52 parts in a single reaction (one tube)!
- Teever 5y agoFragment issues aside, the kind of stuff I'm thinking about is somewhat like homomorphic encryption at a genetic/biochemistry level to side step regulations.
- albrewer 5y ago> companies will check sequences submitted to them against databases of 'dangerous' or regulated sequences. Weird, that's kind of how computer antivirus software works.
- 323 5y agoBut I think the hard part is not just synthesizing the DNA, but instead assembling the various proteins into an actual virus.
- londons_explore 5y agoHow much harder is it than the process of building your own bacteria from a DNA sequence...? Would just tacking it into a bacterial DNA sequence and being lucky end up in replication of it? I remember when I looked into it that about $5k of equipment scrounged from ebay and stuff being trashed from labs was probably enough for making your own bacteria.