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Consider diving into tulip land (without any major investments of course). Mint an NFT, write a coin contract, it's actually a very fun and easy way to learn th

Consider diving into tulip land (without any major investments of course). Mint an NFT, write a coin contract, it's actually a very fun and easy way to learn the basics of web3.

faeyanpiraat 5y ago
Fun way to waste your time.
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
  Well we ARE programmers. We build invisible castles in the sky.
- dvt 5y ago
  What a weirdly aggressive and unnecessary comment. Web3 has some pretty cool parts and there's definitely a new programming paradigm at work. Even out of curiosity, you should give it a try. Distributed computing is pretty interesting, and even more-so when there's a code complexity resource you need to optimize for (gas).
  - frazbin 5y ago
    idk it's not untrue. So far my time investment in distributed ledgers hasn't done a damn thing for anybody, but it has been fun (in a 'playing with your food' way, as someone said downthread). I suspect many here have had a similar experience.
  - preseinger 5y ago
    Distributed computing is an entire field of study unrelated to blockchains.
    - dvt 5y ago
      > Distributed computing is an entire field of study unrelated to blockchains. I'm not sure if you're just being purposefully obtuse, but this is most definitely not true[1]. Consensus protocols (which are very salient in blockchains) have been studied in distributed computing since like the 70s; the EVM is basically a distributed Turing machine; etc. [1] https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2019/2/234355-blockchains-from-a-distributed-computing-perspective/fulltext https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2019/2/234355-blockchains-fro...
      - preseinger 5y ago
        What? Your comments support my point, they don't refute it. Blockchains are a (naive) application of distributed computing principles, not the foundation of them...
        dvt 5y ago
        > Blockchains are a (naive) application of distributed computing principles, not the foundation of them... I think you're arguing against a straw man here, nowhere did I claim the blockchain is foundational to distributed computing...
        exdsq 5y ago
        Don't think it's fair to call them a naive application of distributed computing principles if you look at the current research output in the area. Subset yes, but let's not underplay the genuine output on distributed and decentralized consensus and governance that's coming out of the area.
        preseinger 5y ago
        I'm deeply connected to the space. Blockchain folks have made some progress in the area of BFT specifically, but beyond that, no, it's mostly been naïve re-hashes of work already done in the 80s and 90s. This isn't necessarily bad, but it's absolutely not novel.
        pcthrowaway 5y ago
        You claimed distributed computing was unrelated to blockchain. Now you're saying the relationship is one thing and not another, but you're admitting a relationship all the same.
        preseinger 5y ago
        I replied to > Distributed computing is pretty interesting, and even more-so when there's a code complexity resource you need to optimize for (gas). I thought this implied an equivocation between distributed computing and web3 stuff. If that wasn't the intent, mea culpa, sorry.
  - Igelau 5y ago
    > Distributed computing ... when there's a code complexity resource you need to optimize for That's not fun. That's work. From TFA: > Remember: The DAO — first of its kind, from which all present DAOs take their name — failed so badly it required a fork of the Ethereum blockchain. You don't want to be stuck holding the bag on something like that.
    - spky333 5y ago
      we fail and fail and fail again. then we succeed. feels crazy i have to say this on HN. this place has really changed over the years. what happened to the whole earth quotes. "fail fast fail often" at least Stuart Brand is still daring to explore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLGZdLpHl1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLGZdLpHl1w
  - VHRanger 5y ago
    Hi, please out of curiosity give a try joining my pyramid scheme I have some really expensive JPEGs I need to unload
- capableweb 5y ago
  Didn't think I would see a comment like this on Hacker News. Learning and experimenting is fun! When you are learning and having fun, there is no such thing as "wasting time". Some would consider learning a old, outdated programming language a waste of time, but sometimes learning something new just to learn something new is just... Fun!
- ultrasounder 5y ago
  ratio then?

Consider diving into tulip land (without any major investments of course). Mint an NFT, write a coin contract, it's actually a very fun and easy way to learn the basics of web3.

faeyanpiraat 5y ago

Fun way to waste your time.

kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
Well we ARE programmers. We build invisible castles in the sky.
dvt 5y ago
What a weirdly aggressive and unnecessary comment. Web3 has some pretty cool parts and there's definitely a new programming paradigm at work. Even out of curiosity, you should give it a try. Distributed computing is pretty interesting, and even more-so when there's a code complexity resource you need to optimize for (gas).
- frazbin 5y ago
  idk it's not untrue. So far my time investment in distributed ledgers hasn't done a damn thing for anybody, but it has been fun (in a 'playing with your food' way, as someone said downthread). I suspect many here have had a similar experience.
- preseinger 5y ago
  Distributed computing is an entire field of study unrelated to blockchains.
  - dvt 5y ago
    > Distributed computing is an entire field of study unrelated to blockchains. I'm not sure if you're just being purposefully obtuse, but this is most definitely not true[1]. Consensus protocols (which are very salient in blockchains) have been studied in distributed computing since like the 70s; the EVM is basically a distributed Turing machine; etc. [1] https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2019/2/234355-blockchains-from-a-distributed-computing-perspective/fulltext https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2019/2/234355-blockchains-fro...
    - preseinger 5y ago
      What? Your comments support my point, they don't refute it. Blockchains are a (naive) application of distributed computing principles, not the foundation of them...
      - dvt 5y ago
        > Blockchains are a (naive) application of distributed computing principles, not the foundation of them... I think you're arguing against a straw man here, nowhere did I claim the blockchain is foundational to distributed computing...
      - exdsq 5y ago
        Don't think it's fair to call them a naive application of distributed computing principles if you look at the current research output in the area. Subset yes, but let's not underplay the genuine output on distributed and decentralized consensus and governance that's coming out of the area.
        preseinger 5y ago
        I'm deeply connected to the space. Blockchain folks have made some progress in the area of BFT specifically, but beyond that, no, it's mostly been naïve re-hashes of work already done in the 80s and 90s. This isn't necessarily bad, but it's absolutely not novel.
      - pcthrowaway 5y ago
        You claimed distributed computing was unrelated to blockchain. Now you're saying the relationship is one thing and not another, but you're admitting a relationship all the same.
        preseinger 5y ago
        I replied to > Distributed computing is pretty interesting, and even more-so when there's a code complexity resource you need to optimize for (gas). I thought this implied an equivocation between distributed computing and web3 stuff. If that wasn't the intent, mea culpa, sorry.
- Igelau 5y ago
  > Distributed computing ... when there's a code complexity resource you need to optimize for That's not fun. That's work. From TFA: > Remember: The DAO — first of its kind, from which all present DAOs take their name — failed so badly it required a fork of the Ethereum blockchain. You don't want to be stuck holding the bag on something like that.
  - spky333 5y ago
    we fail and fail and fail again. then we succeed. feels crazy i have to say this on HN. this place has really changed over the years. what happened to the whole earth quotes. "fail fast fail often" at least Stuart Brand is still daring to explore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLGZdLpHl1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLGZdLpHl1w
- VHRanger 5y ago
  Hi, please out of curiosity give a try joining my pyramid scheme I have some really expensive JPEGs I need to unload
capableweb 5y ago
Didn't think I would see a comment like this on Hacker News. Learning and experimenting is fun! When you are learning and having fun, there is no such thing as "wasting time". Some would consider learning a old, outdated programming language a waste of time, but sometimes learning something new just to learn something new is just... Fun!
ultrasounder 5y ago
ratio then?