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Lame. Web3 used to mean the semantic web. That died. Even before that died social media marketers were already using the term Web3.0 to refer to some adverti

Lame. Web3 used to mean the semantic web. That died. Even before that died social media marketers were already using the term Web3.0 to refer to some advertising nonsense. Now it seems it is something vaguely related to blockchain. At the moment blockchain is directly tied to crypto currency, which to almost everybody looks like a giant Ponzi scheme. Until the concept of blockchain is completely divorced from crypto currencies they can name this nonsence whatever they want. It won't stick. Nobody cares except for the few people already making money off this.

xg15 5y ago
I mean, at least they followed current marketing trends and rebranded the venerable Web 3.0 into the hipster web3.
chrisco255 5y ago
The builders will win and naysayers will be long forgotten. I work full time in this space and it is evolving faster than I can keep up with. DAOs, NFTs, tokens, decentralized file storage, decentralized identity via public keys and smart contracts, tokens as authentication, on-chain reputation systems, oracles, fundraising with no third parties or gatekeepers, etc are all here to stay and will evolve further and faster than your bias will let you see. If you have an alternative to the monopolistic web and mobile dystopia we find ourselves in, wherein we can only speak within the narrow band of corporately acceptable speech and expression, and we can only transact with the blessings of PayPal's overlords, that doesn't involve crypto or blockchain, I suggest you quit your job to build it. Otherwise, I fear you might be too late at disrupting the establishment, as the builders are well under way, working on Web3 powered by crypto (in both senses of the word).
- sllewe 5y ago
  I advise/consult/build technology for a wide range of industries. (From AEC Firms to Major league sports teams) From my perch, the meaningful proliferation of blockchain in those industries has been...zero. And that's not to say it hasn't been on the tip of many of their CTO's tongues. Your giant list of of terminology isn't making much of an impact on me. In fact many of those sounds terrible. So giving your post the benefit of the doubt, when can I expect to be disrupted out of a job by even a single item on your list?
  - exdsq 5y ago
    I think the most likely thing you'll see popping up is NFTs as tickets to sports games. That's one of the few NFT use-cases I really love and think makes sense.
    - bendavis381 5y ago
      What deficiencies with existing ticketing solutions do NFTs provide?
      - exdsq 5y ago
        The thing I love is the idea of atomic transactions. What does that mean? Well the transfer of a ticket for money could be a single transaction. No ticket without money, no money without ticket. Sure, you could use some tech to do this - maybe rely on Paypals guarantees to get your money or ticket back if the other person is fraudulent. But how do you guarantee the ticket is authentic? Well I can include a verification step in the transaction to only send my money if the ticket is valid with a smart contract. Now you have a peer-to-peer trustless safe method of trading tickets with strangers. The ticket providers can mint x tokens for a release and enable a safe resale market while users can feel safe buying and selling tickets online.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Now you have a peer-to-peer trustless safe method of trading tickets with strangers. No. You don't. because you also have to verify that the person who is selling tickets actually has the right to do so.
        exdsq 5y ago
        Simple - either metadata or part of the validator
        dmitriid 5y ago
- echelon 5y ago
  Web 4. Don't paper over history. The Semantic Web was the first that dreamed of distributed, decentralized taxonomies of data shared p2p. Facebook and Google sidelined it.
- tracyhenry 5y ago
  What sources do you recommend for keeping update-to-date with the non-scam applications of the space?
- austincheney 5y ago
  > If you have an alternative to the monopolistic web and mobile dystopia we find ourselves in I do. I am working on it as a side project. It isn’t blockchain or IPFS.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > DAOs, NFTs, tokens, decentralized file storage, decentralized identity via public keys and smart contracts, tokens as authentication, on-chain reputation systems, oracles, fundraising with no third parties or gatekeepers, etc are all 99% scam. The remaining 1% is either more efficient and scalable in literally any other tech, or are busy re-inventing all the centralised institutions that come from, you know, the need to operate in reality. > Otherwise, I fear you might be too late at disrupting the establishment By saying "too late at disrupting the establishment" you're implying that the establishment is already disrupted. It's objectively not.
- roody15 5y ago
  I agree with your sentiments on decentralization and the dystopian aspects of what our current web has become. However I still have yet to be convinced of any real value or need of an NFT. For example let say I am the owner of a famous “Tweet”. This NFT shows exactly what … a unique token saying it’s mine ? A token with no legal recourse to stop others from using what I purchased? If you think about it from an opposing viewpoint in many ways you really own nothing except what people believe you own … which in this case is a small minority of people. A very small subset of people will currently even recognize what an NFT is and an even smaller subset will acknowledge and believe I own anything … reducing its value. Further the information and value of the “Tweet” (or digital art, or whatever) is not contained in the NFT at all. Let’s say I buy the NFT to some cool digital artwork. Nothing is stopping anyone else from using this artwork… I have no legal recourse to say “heh I own this”. Only a small subset of people will recognize this as any form od ownership at all. Sorry from my point of view NFT’s seem like a get rich quick fad… maybe am just a grumpy old dude at this point but honestly just don’t much real lasting value here.
bee_rider 5y ago
I'm generally wary of anything that tries to make up a web version number. Since the internet is a decentralized system, attempting to stick a version number on it is inherently a dumb marketing exercise. Double so when describing something in the future -- maybe you can retroactively say some conventions have become so prevalent as to deserve to be called "web 2.0," but certainly nobody knows what conventions will become prevalent enough to be called 3.0.
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pmlnr 5y ago
Semantic web was pre-"web2.0" and around. And it never died, it became the abomination known as JSON-LD with schema.org, aka Google Rich Results.

xg15 5y ago

I mean, at least they followed current marketing trends and rebranded the venerable Web 3.0 into the hipster web3.

chrisco255 5y ago

The builders will win and naysayers will be long forgotten. I work full time in this space and it is evolving faster than I can keep up with. DAOs, NFTs, tokens, decentralized file storage, decentralized identity via public keys and smart contracts, tokens as authentication, on-chain reputation systems, oracles, fundraising with no third parties or gatekeepers, etc are all here to stay and will evolve further and faster than your bias will let you see. If you have an alternative to the monopolistic web and mobile dystopia we find ourselves in, wherein we can only speak within the narrow band of corporately acceptable speech and expression, and we can only transact with the blessings of PayPal's overlords, that doesn't involve crypto or blockchain, I suggest you quit your job to build it. Otherwise, I fear you might be too late at disrupting the establishment, as the builders are well under way, working on Web3 powered by crypto (in both senses of the word).

sllewe 5y ago
I advise/consult/build technology for a wide range of industries. (From AEC Firms to Major league sports teams) From my perch, the meaningful proliferation of blockchain in those industries has been...zero. And that's not to say it hasn't been on the tip of many of their CTO's tongues. Your giant list of of terminology isn't making much of an impact on me. In fact many of those sounds terrible. So giving your post the benefit of the doubt, when can I expect to be disrupted out of a job by even a single item on your list?
- exdsq 5y ago
  I think the most likely thing you'll see popping up is NFTs as tickets to sports games. That's one of the few NFT use-cases I really love and think makes sense.
  - bendavis381 5y ago
    What deficiencies with existing ticketing solutions do NFTs provide?
    - exdsq 5y ago
      The thing I love is the idea of atomic transactions. What does that mean? Well the transfer of a ticket for money could be a single transaction. No ticket without money, no money without ticket. Sure, you could use some tech to do this - maybe rely on Paypals guarantees to get your money or ticket back if the other person is fraudulent. But how do you guarantee the ticket is authentic? Well I can include a verification step in the transaction to only send my money if the ticket is valid with a smart contract. Now you have a peer-to-peer trustless safe method of trading tickets with strangers. The ticket providers can mint x tokens for a release and enable a safe resale market while users can feel safe buying and selling tickets online.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > Now you have a peer-to-peer trustless safe method of trading tickets with strangers. No. You don't. because you also have to verify that the person who is selling tickets actually has the right to do so.
        exdsq 5y ago
        Simple - either metadata or part of the validator
        dmitriid 5y ago
echelon 5y ago
Web 4. Don't paper over history. The Semantic Web was the first that dreamed of distributed, decentralized taxonomies of data shared p2p. Facebook and Google sidelined it.
tracyhenry 5y ago
What sources do you recommend for keeping update-to-date with the non-scam applications of the space?
austincheney 5y ago
> If you have an alternative to the monopolistic web and mobile dystopia we find ourselves in I do. I am working on it as a side project. It isn’t blockchain or IPFS.
dmitriid 5y ago
> DAOs, NFTs, tokens, decentralized file storage, decentralized identity via public keys and smart contracts, tokens as authentication, on-chain reputation systems, oracles, fundraising with no third parties or gatekeepers, etc are all 99% scam. The remaining 1% is either more efficient and scalable in literally any other tech, or are busy re-inventing all the centralised institutions that come from, you know, the need to operate in reality. > Otherwise, I fear you might be too late at disrupting the establishment By saying "too late at disrupting the establishment" you're implying that the establishment is already disrupted. It's objectively not.
roody15 5y ago
I agree with your sentiments on decentralization and the dystopian aspects of what our current web has become. However I still have yet to be convinced of any real value or need of an NFT. For example let say I am the owner of a famous “Tweet”. This NFT shows exactly what … a unique token saying it’s mine ? A token with no legal recourse to stop others from using what I purchased? If you think about it from an opposing viewpoint in many ways you really own nothing except what people believe you own … which in this case is a small minority of people. A very small subset of people will currently even recognize what an NFT is and an even smaller subset will acknowledge and believe I own anything … reducing its value. Further the information and value of the “Tweet” (or digital art, or whatever) is not contained in the NFT at all. Let’s say I buy the NFT to some cool digital artwork. Nothing is stopping anyone else from using this artwork… I have no legal recourse to say “heh I own this”. Only a small subset of people will recognize this as any form od ownership at all. Sorry from my point of view NFT’s seem like a get rich quick fad… maybe am just a grumpy old dude at this point but honestly just don’t much real lasting value here.

bee_rider 5y ago

I'm generally wary of anything that tries to make up a web version number. Since the internet is a decentralized system, attempting to stick a version number on it is inherently a dumb marketing exercise. Double so when describing something in the future -- maybe you can retroactively say some conventions have become so prevalent as to deserve to be called "web 2.0," but certainly nobody knows what conventions will become prevalent enough to be called 3.0.

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pmlnr 5y ago

Semantic web was pre-"web2.0" and around. And it never died, it became the abomination known as JSON-LD with schema.org, aka Google Rich Results.