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>In the event of an outbreak, the C.D.C. said, “there is enough smallpox vaccine to vaccinate every person in the United States.” We'd be lucky to get 80% upta

>In the event of an outbreak, the C.D.C. said, “there is enough smallpox vaccine to vaccinate every person in the United States.” We'd be lucky to get 80% uptake. I can already imagine all of the anti smallpox vaccine propaganda that would spread through FB within a day.

lapetitejort 5y ago
There's a difference between someone coughing through their illness on instagram versus someone covered head to toe with boils. Maybe someone could call it "a somewhat stronger chickenpox" as a method of dismissal, but it'll be difficult.
- toss1 5y ago
  The world has become deeply un-serious in the last few decades. To the point where I'm not alone in being unsure we can predict any particular reaction, including farcical dismissal. Perhaps like this upcoming comedy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIxYm3mKzI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIxYm3mKzI
- mey 5y ago
  The amount of people I've heard say "I have a strong immune system" (or some variation), as if that's a defense to COVID, I'm sure would have no problem trotting that out against Smallpox. When we can make Big Bird promoting vaccination a political issue, I expect the amount of people who would reject a smallpox vaccine would be disturbingly high.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    The weird thing about that is the age bracket at greatest risk of dying from COVID were actually vaccinated for smallpox. If that came to pass, the elderly would be watching their children and grandchildren die.
    - mey 5y ago
      My parents generation lived through Polio. They've seen first hand what an effective vaccine can do for themselves and their children.
tuismuggler 5y ago
I imagine most of the skeptical people would be happy with a smallpox vaccine given it is a real vaccine that provides immunity by injecting an inactive (non replicating) virus. Compared to the latest ones that do something entirely different and at beast provide 'protection' - the CDC changed the definition of the word vaccine to include these latest bunch of jabs.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  For every person who is skeptical to the "new" vaccines you'll find a person skeptical to the "old" vaccines, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't significant overlap (i.e. the people saying that they don't want to take the COVID vaccines because they're too new suddenly saying that they don't want to take the smallpox vaccine for $reasons). Doesn't help that the "standard" smallpox vaccine is quite nasty in terms of application and side effects (leaves a scar): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine#ACAM2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine#ACAM2000
tomjen3 5y ago
When those who are not vaced ends up death at 30%, and far more disfigured we won't have an issue with that vax. Covid is deadly, but not too deadly. At this point I am half considering if I should get one just because - and also not sure what I would say to whom to get a smallpox vaccine.
NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
I have zero interest in taking the COVID "vaccines", but I'd take the smallpox vaccine in a heartbeat if it was coming back. They're not remotely the same thing. The former drops to less than 50% effectiveness after six months, the latter eradicated the disease.
- icedchai 5y ago
  So you'd rather have no effectiveness by not getting the vaccine at all?
  - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
    Given the risk of myocarditis and other things against the low risk of my demographic with COVID, I'd rather not take the drug with no long term studies.
    - icedchai 5y ago
      As another poster as shown, the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low. Certainly much lower than the risks of contracting COVID without the vaccine. And where are the long term studies of the effects of COVID? I'll take my chances with the vaccine.
      - deleted 5y ago
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    - edot 5y ago
      Regarding myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine: "For instance, Israel reported <150 cases among five million vaccine recipients; the US military reported 23 among 2.8 million doses. In both cases, young adult males were affected for the most part." So that's a 0.003% and 0.0008% rate, respectively. And you have a 0.15% chance of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 itself. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211116/Myocarditis-among-Moderna-COVID-19-vaccine-recipients.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211116/Myocarditis-among... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

lapetitejort 5y ago

There's a difference between someone coughing through their illness on instagram versus someone covered head to toe with boils. Maybe someone could call it "a somewhat stronger chickenpox" as a method of dismissal, but it'll be difficult.

toss1 5y ago
The world has become deeply un-serious in the last few decades. To the point where I'm not alone in being unsure we can predict any particular reaction, including farcical dismissal. Perhaps like this upcoming comedy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIxYm3mKzI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIxYm3mKzI
mey 5y ago
The amount of people I've heard say "I have a strong immune system" (or some variation), as if that's a defense to COVID, I'm sure would have no problem trotting that out against Smallpox. When we can make Big Bird promoting vaccination a political issue, I expect the amount of people who would reject a smallpox vaccine would be disturbingly high.
- klyrs 5y ago
  The weird thing about that is the age bracket at greatest risk of dying from COVID were actually vaccinated for smallpox. If that came to pass, the elderly would be watching their children and grandchildren die.
  - mey 5y ago
    My parents generation lived through Polio. They've seen first hand what an effective vaccine can do for themselves and their children.

tuismuggler 5y ago

I imagine most of the skeptical people would be happy with a smallpox vaccine given it is a real vaccine that provides immunity by injecting an inactive (non replicating) virus. Compared to the latest ones that do something entirely different and at beast provide 'protection' - the CDC changed the definition of the word vaccine to include these latest bunch of jabs.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
For every person who is skeptical to the "new" vaccines you'll find a person skeptical to the "old" vaccines, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't significant overlap (i.e. the people saying that they don't want to take the COVID vaccines because they're too new suddenly saying that they don't want to take the smallpox vaccine for $reasons). Doesn't help that the "standard" smallpox vaccine is quite nasty in terms of application and side effects (leaves a scar): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine#ACAM2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine#ACAM2000

tomjen3 5y ago

When those who are not vaced ends up death at 30%, and far more disfigured we won't have an issue with that vax. Covid is deadly, but not too deadly. At this point I am half considering if I should get one just because - and also not sure what I would say to whom to get a smallpox vaccine.

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago

I have zero interest in taking the COVID "vaccines", but I'd take the smallpox vaccine in a heartbeat if it was coming back. They're not remotely the same thing. The former drops to less than 50% effectiveness after six months, the latter eradicated the disease.

icedchai 5y ago
So you'd rather have no effectiveness by not getting the vaccine at all?
- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  Given the risk of myocarditis and other things against the low risk of my demographic with COVID, I'd rather not take the drug with no long term studies.
  - icedchai 5y ago
    As another poster as shown, the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low. Certainly much lower than the risks of contracting COVID without the vaccine. And where are the long term studies of the effects of COVID? I'll take my chances with the vaccine.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - edot 5y ago
    Regarding myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine: "For instance, Israel reported <150 cases among five million vaccine recipients; the US military reported 23 among 2.8 million doses. In both cases, young adult males were affected for the most part." So that's a 0.003% and 0.0008% rate, respectively. And you have a 0.15% chance of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 itself. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211116/Myocarditis-among-Moderna-COVID-19-vaccine-recipients.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211116/Myocarditis-among... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm